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Old Apr 6, 2003 | 05:43 PM
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i was reading some posts and this came up a lot...im just wondering...please keep it civilized!
Old Apr 6, 2003 | 06:15 PM
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Simple. The SS badge adds even more horsepower than a big red "R" sticker. 8*)


Just kidding......

Actually in most years the SS was faster than a plain Z-28 due to a better exhaust system and cold air intake. I think there were some other minor tweaks to.
Old Apr 6, 2003 | 06:26 PM
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i was reading some posts and this came up a lot...im just wondering...please keep it civilized!

Whats the difference between the two besides the looks. I know in my supra TT, I didn't have any trouble w/ any of the Z 28's, but for some reason the two SS I ran gave me trouble. It could of been the drivers. You don't see as many SS as you do the Z28s.
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Whats the difference between the two besides the looks. I know in my supra TT, I didn't have any trouble w/ any of the Z 28's, but for some reason the two SS I ran gave me trouble. It could of been the drivers. You don't see as many SS as you do the Z28s.
don't SS' have more power??
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don't SS' have more power??

+-10 HP from a stock Z28...every LS1 car makes the about the same power.
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SS are rated 325 and Z28 are rated 310, they both make somewhere in between at the wheels, but the SSs heavier weight usually gives up any advantages the ramair might have on the Z28, so usually they are the same. Although 1SC Z28s are known to be the fastest.
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These are the ONLY differences between a standard Z28 and a standard SS. The SS has a fiberglass hood with quite possibly the worlds worst cold air induction design. They both have a 2.75 inch catback exhaust, the SS has a less restrictive muffler and different tips. The SS has a thicker front (32mm) sway bar and bigger (17x9) wheels and tires (275/40/17). It also has a slightly elevated rear spoiler, SS badges and year specific build number. It should handle better than a Z28 but for drag racing the Z28 should have an advantage. It's not uncommon to see a stock Z28 dyno higher than a stock SS.
When you buy an SS, you do have the option of an upgraded catback, suspension and for 2002, a better induction lid. Everything else you've heard belongs in fantasy land.
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Because they don't have a clue!!
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Originally posted by sukkoi19
but the SSs heavier weight usually gives up any advantages the ramair might have on the Z28, so usually they are the same.
So....where is this weight difference?
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So....where is this weight difference?
17" wheels for one...

the main thing is that SS's are fully loaded, whereas you can get a Z28 with minimal options.

The faster F-body is a stripper model Z28...
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There is an aura about the SS(the heritage, ram air hood , wheels, and so on). I feel most people just dont know what exactly it is so they just think that the SS is bigger, badder, and faster than the Z28 when in most cases, its not. Another reason may be that the SS is an upgraded option on a Z28, making it better(faster). Just how I see things.

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P.S. The WS-6 is the same way when in all actuallity, they arent any faster that the normal T/A's in most cases.
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The faster F-body is a stripper model Z28...
I agree, I want one so bad but my car is a fatass. 3645 lbs at the track.
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Originally posted by brandboZ28
There is an aura about the SS(the heritage, ram air hood , wheels, and so on). I feel most people just dont know what exactly it is so they just think that the SS is bigger, badder, and faster than the Z28 when in most cases, its not. Another reason may be that the SS is an upgraded option on a Z28, making it better(faster). Just how I see things.

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P.S. The WS-6 is the same way when in all actuallity, they arent any faster that the normal T/A's in most cases.
Exactly...

I debated between a regular TA and the WS6...the looks of the WS6 was worth it to me. 17" wheels instead of 16" is nice too...
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we had a 99 z28, 6 spd , 410 gears, short throw shifter , full exhaust( with cats) and headers.. on drag radials my father would run 12.40's all day long, on et streets he has gone 12.20's@ 113 with a slipping clutch... oh yeah, that's with a race weight of 3600 pounds with him in it

keep in mind that this was a no option car and it still weighed 3380 without driver..
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Originally posted by nrc motorsports
we had a 99 z28, 6 spd , 410 gears, short throw shifter , full exhaust( with cats) and headers.. on drag radials my father would run 12.40's all day long, on et streets he has gone 12.20's@ 113 with a slipping clutch... oh yeah, that's with a race weight of 3600 pounds with him in it

keep in mind that this was a no option car and it still weighed 3380 without driver..
See sig, no gears yet...
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I don't say that. I can beat both of them.

Seriously though, here's my theory. Z28s are everywhere and any monkey will drive one (this is not to say that if you drive one you are a monkey) but there aren't many SS and those that own one usually know how to drive one.

Any LS1 is fast, but not so fast that one with a half-*** driver behind the wheel can't lose to a Z or some other "slower" vehicle.

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Originally posted by sdpearso
I don't say that. I can beat both of them.

Seriously though, here's my theory. Z28s are everywhere and any monkey will drive one (this is not to say that if you drive one you are a monkey) but there aren't many SS and those that own one usually know how to drive one.

Any LS1 is fast, but not so fast that one with a half-*** driver behind the wheel can't lose to a Z or some other "slower" vehicle.
Im sorry but thats quite an interesting generalization youve got there. I know far more people with LS1 SSs than LS1 Z28s. Oh and the people with the Z28 are usually more about go rather than show. But thats just my experiance.
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Hm, I know far more people with a Z28 than an SS. And the guys with the SS are drivers whereas the Z28 owners I know are not.

Oh well, it was just a theory.
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Well, I think your exposure to the different f-cars depends on your locale. Around here, where just about everyone can get a GM discount, the SS and WS6 are much more common than the "lesser" Z28 and Formula.

Along with more people driving them around here are more people that know nothing about their cars. I get more SS owners looking down their noses at me than any other car drivers. I'm sure they sleep better at night knowing those 15 extra ponies that GM's marketing department gave their cars would just suck the paint off my lowly Z28.

I don't expect it's like this everywhere, but my point is that the differences between car and driver populations vary with location.
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Originally posted by hankd
17" wheels for one...

the main thing is that SS's are fully loaded, whereas you can get a Z28 with minimal options.

The faster F-body is a stripper model Z28...
No, SS's are not loaded standard. My SS has no leather and no traction control. I didn't want them. When they were still being sold new, you could of ordered an SS with no power windows, locks, no t-tops etc. The foglights are standard, as is the 3.23 gear with aluminum driveshaft. The 3.23 is an option in the Z28. The SS also has a fiberglass hood which is significantly lighter than the Z28's. If I remember correctly, there is a 35-40lb difference.



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