350z vs. 3000 GT VR4
06-20-2003, 07:34 PM
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Originally posted by haddixracing
No they can't. They can be made moderately fast for very little money (IE: 12's in the 1/4) but after that it suddenly hits a plateau and becomes very expensive to go much faster. The majority of the HIGHLY modded versions of those cars are still stuck in the 11's. There are only a few in the 10's and those things have been out for 12 years now! BTW, I am speaking from experience as well. I had a 92 Stealth RT/TT up until last winter. And NO stock they are not very fast. My good friend Tom has a VR4 with only 60,000 miles on it. I raced him in my Probe GT (with a few mods) from a 10mph roll and he didn't start pulling on me until 3rd and by the time we were halfway through 4th he only had his rear bumper at my front. And let me tell you the man can DRIVE. Then again my Probe is a freak and runs mid 14's. But regardless I think a 350Z with a good driver will pretty much always beat a VR4 from a roll.
No they can't. They can be made moderately fast for very little money (IE: 12's in the 1/4) but after that it suddenly hits a plateau and becomes very expensive to go much faster. The majority of the HIGHLY modded versions of those cars are still stuck in the 11's. There are only a few in the 10's and those things have been out for 12 years now! BTW, I am speaking from experience as well. I had a 92 Stealth RT/TT up until last winter. And NO stock they are not very fast. My good friend Tom has a VR4 with only 60,000 miles on it. I raced him in my Probe GT (with a few mods) from a 10mph roll and he didn't start pulling on me until 3rd and by the time we were halfway through 4th he only had his rear bumper at my front. And let me tell you the man can DRIVE. Then again my Probe is a freak and runs mid 14's. But regardless I think a 350Z with a good driver will pretty much always beat a VR4 from a roll.
With a EBC(14.9psi), gutted cats, polished y-pipe, gapped plugs and a AMS downpipe I was able to run 12.71@108mph on 93 octane with the stock turbos. That run was for my best ET which consisted of dropping the clutch at 4K rpms. Two runs later I ran for a high trap and my best was a 12.86@109 in which I dropped the clutch at 5K rpms with a hint of wheelspin. If I remember correctly(4 years ago) I paid about $700 in parts, EBC($200), downpipe($375) and the y-pipe($125). The stock 9B's are good for at least 110-112mph+ traps with race fuel. For $6K more(15G turbos, 550 injectors, fuel rails, double cone intake, MSD ignition system, etc) the car would be good for high 11's for sure and $6 grand is not much at all for those performance numbers and that's NOT highly modded.
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06-20-2003, 09:38 PM
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Originally posted by Marc's R/T
With a EBC(14.9psi), gutted cats, polished y-pipe, gapped plugs and a AMS downpipe I was able to run 12.71@108mph on 93 octane with the stock turbos. That run was for my best ET which consisted of dropping the clutch at 4K rpms. Two runs later I ran for a high trap and my best was a 12.86@109 in which I dropped the clutch at 5K rpms with a hint of wheelspin. If I remember correctly(4 years ago) I paid about $700 in parts, EBC($200), downpipe($375) and the y-pipe($125). The stock 9B's are good for at least 110-112mph+ traps with race fuel. For $6K more(15G turbos, 550 injectors, fuel rails, double cone intake, MSD ignition system, etc) the car would be good for high 11's for sure and $6 grand is not much at all for those performance numbers and that's NOT highly modded.
With a EBC(14.9psi), gutted cats, polished y-pipe, gapped plugs and a AMS downpipe I was able to run 12.71@108mph on 93 octane with the stock turbos. That run was for my best ET which consisted of dropping the clutch at 4K rpms. Two runs later I ran for a high trap and my best was a 12.86@109 in which I dropped the clutch at 5K rpms with a hint of wheelspin. If I remember correctly(4 years ago) I paid about $700 in parts, EBC($200), downpipe($375) and the y-pipe($125). The stock 9B's are good for at least 110-112mph+ traps with race fuel. For $6K more(15G turbos, 550 injectors, fuel rails, double cone intake, MSD ignition system, etc) the car would be good for high 11's for sure and $6 grand is not much at all for those performance numbers and that's NOT highly modded.
06-20-2003, 10:17 PM
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Originally posted by Zmeflyby
does he have a turbo swap?
most vr4s w/o turbo swaps dont have that kind of top end like u mentioned.
does he have a turbo swap?
most vr4s w/o turbo swaps dont have that kind of top end like u mentioned.
06-21-2003, 06:17 PM
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Originally posted by BriGuyMax
He never said that you can't make a VR-4 "decently" quick for relatively cheap, but after the normal bolt-ons it get's REALLY expensive to make them much quicker. He eluded to the fact that you just don't see many VR-4s running 10s, and I've never even heard of them running 9s. Now if we want to talk about sick fast....9 and 10 second passes are SICK FAST. 11s are pretty commonplace now and frankly for 6 grand I could make a maxima run 11s. (it's been done, S/Ced 98 maxima 5-speed, 15psi and a 40-shot on the stock motor, NON-intercooled, 11.9@117 I believe) If a maxima can do it for around 6 grand, then it's not very impressive for an AWD car that comes with Twin Turbos and 320hp from the factory to do it for 6 grand.
He never said that you can't make a VR-4 "decently" quick for relatively cheap, but after the normal bolt-ons it get's REALLY expensive to make them much quicker. He eluded to the fact that you just don't see many VR-4s running 10s, and I've never even heard of them running 9s. Now if we want to talk about sick fast....9 and 10 second passes are SICK FAST. 11s are pretty commonplace now and frankly for 6 grand I could make a maxima run 11s. (it's been done, S/Ced 98 maxima 5-speed, 15psi and a 40-shot on the stock motor, NON-intercooled, 11.9@117 I believe) If a maxima can do it for around 6 grand, then it's not very impressive for an AWD car that comes with Twin Turbos and 320hp from the factory to do it for 6 grand.
Also, a 117mph trap for a VR4 is running 11.7 ET's so your 11.9 is toast. Still not impressed. Stock tires, stock suspension, no NAZZZZZZ and full street weight and stock motor. Got it on video too.
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06-22-2003, 03:57 AM
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Originally posted by Marc's R/T
The high 11's I mentioned is just an estimate and your Maxima needs what to get those 11's? Forced induction. $6K on almost any car running at least 220 stock hp will get it into the 11's provided there's a good driver behind the wheel, so what's your point? Hell, there are VR4's out there still(two of them) that are running high 11's(11.86, 11.89) on the stock 9B's.
Also, a 117mph trap for a VR4 is running 11.7 ET's so your 11.9 is toast. Still not impressed. Stock tires, stock suspension, no NAZZZZZZ and full street weight and stock motor. Got it on video too.
The high 11's I mentioned is just an estimate and your Maxima needs what to get those 11's? Forced induction. $6K on almost any car running at least 220 stock hp will get it into the 11's provided there's a good driver behind the wheel, so what's your point? Hell, there are VR4's out there still(two of them) that are running high 11's(11.86, 11.89) on the stock 9B's.
Also, a 117mph trap for a VR4 is running 11.7 ET's so your 11.9 is toast. Still not impressed. Stock tires, stock suspension, no NAZZZZZZ and full street weight and stock motor. Got it on video too.
06-22-2003, 05:41 PM
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Originally posted by BriGuyMax
My point again is that that a VR-4 doesn't really have a "bang for buck" value that was talked about earlier. You want to talk about performance per dollar, that's Supra, LS1, and 5.0 territory. Again...high 11s in a modified car that is AWD, turbo and 320hp from the factory isn't very impressive.
My point again is that that a VR-4 doesn't really have a "bang for buck" value that was talked about earlier. You want to talk about performance per dollar, that's Supra, LS1, and 5.0 territory. Again...high 11s in a modified car that is AWD, turbo and 320hp from the factory isn't very impressive.
06-22-2003, 05:56 PM
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My last car was a 92 tt stealth and man that car was fast. It cost me 30 to bump the boost up to 14 psi, 100 for a boost gauge and that car flew... If i ever took it to the track it would have pulled low 13's maybe even a 12.9, if that is'nt good performance for the money i dont know what is.
06-23-2003, 04:03 AM
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Originally posted by Zmeflyby
does he have a turbo swap?
most vr4s w/o turbo swaps dont have that kind of top end like u mentioned.
does he have a turbo swap?
most vr4s w/o turbo swaps dont have that kind of top end like u mentioned.
And either the car in the vid needs a tune-up or that Z runs ~105 MPH traps.
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Originally posted by BriGuyMax
My point again is that that a VR-4 doesn't really have a "bang for buck" value that was talked about earlier. You want to talk about performance per dollar, that's Supra, LS1, and 5.0 territory. Again...high 11s in a modified car that is AWD, turbo and 320hp from the factory isn't very impressive.
My point again is that that a VR-4 doesn't really have a "bang for buck" value that was talked about earlier. You want to talk about performance per dollar, that's Supra, LS1, and 5.0 territory. Again...high 11s in a modified car that is AWD, turbo and 320hp from the factory isn't very impressive.
I love the looks of the 350/G35. If i could, i would have one parked next to my Stealth.
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Originally posted by JamRWS6
Try this calculator and see what you get:
0-60 Calculator
Using my best timeslip I get a 0-60 time of 4.08 seconds
1/8 -8.5570
MPH - 86.92
Peace out.
Try this calculator and see what you get:
0-60 Calculator
Using my best timeslip I get a 0-60 time of 4.08 seconds
1/8 -8.5570
MPH - 86.92
Peace out.
1/8 - 7.928
mph - 90.68
3.47 0-60.
06-24-2003, 01:12 PM
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Originally posted by 96RT/TT
Cool calculator. My best time slip
1/8 - 7.928
mph - 90.68
3.47 0-60.
Cool calculator. My best time slip
1/8 - 7.928
mph - 90.68
3.47 0-60.
I've ridden in a modded VR4 from a dead stop... 6 K drop on the clutch and holy crap....those cars can move...especially for their weight.
Funny thing was looking out the window the modded WRX we were running was right beside us
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Just to update, there was a gentleman on 3si.org that ran high 11's(11.83@114.x) with only $1800 invested. He was running a 13G turbo in place of one of the 9B's, manual boost controller, lowered the tire pressure on his car, i/e, no NAZZZZZ but race gas(4 gallons 108 octane). So there it is.
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