The dyno type doesn't matter.......did you ever get a baseline (with no or little mods) done on the same dyno?

 

Why not test it on the same dyno again since it will be easy to compare it to your previous results.

03threefiftyz, his base line numbers are actually reasonable on that dyno (see his dyno in the gallery gallery). Concerning the cam profile, you can't make a blanket statement that 264 is too small for his power. Adam's car only has 268 for that matter and he is making pretty good numbers.

 

No baseline on my original engine. The baseline on my dyno test is from a slightly modified Z33 previously tested on that dyno.

Since there was no plan to keep anything original in mine, seemed a bit pointless to test the original set-up.

 

Insane build.... any pics or vids ?

 

Jmccarty, do you know what was done to that lighlty modified Z33?

Any reason why you went with the HKS cam instead of the Cosworth ones? It would have appeared to make more sense to go to the cosworth one as it has been developped with their engine components in mind and you happen to have all of them. Are you tied or sponsored by HKS?

Really curious to hear this run, let us know when you do post them!

 

He also runs more compression than Adam (I believe).........Perhaps I spoke too generally about the 264's. That being said....I haven't seen anyone make over 300whp on them.....granted NA builds on them don't really exist. I think its a very cool build....I was just trying to pry some extra details out.

Edit.....never seen an HKS BBK on a Z before. Interesting.

 

Gabe - I don't know the baseline car, the dyno shop guys said it was "lightly" modified.

When I started ordering parts in late 2008, the Cosworth cams were not available yet. I'm not tied to HKS but the HKS Technical Factory did all of the work for me and they have a lot of experience tuning engines with their cams. The electronic variable valve timing control on these cams seemed a good idea at the time.

a friend of mine has offered to video a run if we can get another in his passenger seat to hold the camera. I'll work on it for the weekend.

 

Gabe, Have you got your car together yet? It should be a monster as well.

 

Actually I think jmmcarty would have a bit less CR than my car. The Cossie short block is 11:1, but then he has the Cossie heads, which actually drops the static CR just a touch because of the larger combustion chamber (I don't think it's by any measurable amount), But, static compression doesn't really change the #'s all that much unless you make big jumps. Engine response goes up a bit as you raise static CR, but it's nothing dramatic. I bet this car feels really strong. I can only imagine it on a nice, cool night!

Gabes car too I think is going to be really impressive

Would be great to get all the NA build cars together for a day at the track or something. Problem is there are too few of us, and we're scattered all over the world lol. Maybe we can at least setup some sort of video archive that shows some stuff on the various setups out there. Would be a cool thing to refer back to.

For the cams, gabe is right. These advertised duration #'s (and lift) really tell you nothing. Cams are pretty funky things (very simple yet complex...a pretty neat invention all things considered!). The #'s that are published are the #'s the manufacturer wants you to see. A few have done over 300 whp on the BC 264's, but there really is no way to compare a 264 from one brand to a 264 of another. Then you get into the whole interaction of the cam, the intake manifold, and the exhaust manifold, and the stuff gets pretty involved. Things with boost in that regard can be much easier to understand and predict, because you can refer back to the efficiency map for the turbo. With a stock set of cams, you have a pretty good idea what to expect with a given turbo or pair of turbos. With the NA stuff, its so much more interdependant, and at so much lower of a power threshhold. The FI stuff gets equally, if not more complex, but it's at a much higher power threshhold, that few every really have to worry about it. But, that's to me what makes it just a different type of challenge.

FWIW I remember talking to Doug from Crawford back in 2008 about cams he had in his car. I forget the exact specs, but he had some custom setup in his car that had a staggered in/ex duration (not sure about lift) and on paper, they were pretty radical for the time. I think he played around with them, tuning, maybe even manifold mods, but just never found their sweet spot. He ended up taking them out, getting a set of the exact same cams I run, and telling me how much better they were overall. They may still be in the car today (if he still has it?).

 

I think I speak for everyone when I say............................GABE GET YOUR CAR RUNNING ..........I keed, but seriously lol.

 

Cool, can't wait to see and hear this thing in action. OK-la, post it up when you get a chance this weekend. BTW, is this a race or street car?

The only monster thing about my build is the monster amount of delay I've had...as well as the cost. Hopefully things will wrap up this month...I think...well I hope.

I promise that the car will be running this year for sure without fail. I can't believe that initially I thought this thing was gonna take only two months. Take the time and the price and times it by 2-3... Now that's much more accurate. When is your turn or are you still debating? How are the new brakes?

Good idea on the archive thing (maybe a sticky), would be great to see everyone post up some specs, video, audio, picture, and dyno in a single thread. I can't imagine it being more than 20 guys sadly. Why don't you start one since your build is by far the most elaborate and well known on here.

 

I haven't put them on yet too be honest. Hopefully this weekend if the weather holds out. Unheated garage is fail here in the winter. I'm going to do more suspension/brakes/etc before I concern myself with power again.

 

Gabe - I drive it daily to say the least. Here it is outside of my office window today. I track it accross the border in Malaysia at Pasir Gudang F2 track or Sepang F1 track but not often enough. The drive to Pasir Gudang is about 2 hours from my house, Sepang is 3 1/2 hours. The pump gas in Malaysia sucks so I can get a good run around Pasir Gudang and make it home but if to Sepang, I would need to be sure I can get higher octane with the maps I have for fuel mixture.

 

Here's a couple of clips:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KB6IoE5FmSE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2xL1ufTHfw

I have purchased a camcorder after this attempt to get better sound quality. This was with a digital camera with no stereo sound.

I'll do a few more videos over this coming weekend with the proper video camera and post them.

 

City, State which Dyno occured : Coconut Creek, FL
Approx weather condidtions : overcast, about 75, somewhat humid
Baseline Dyno : first time on dyno
1/4 mile time/trap speed : n/a
Tires used in the 1/4 : n/a
Size of wheels/tires used during dyno : 245/40-19
Dyno after your mods : 234
1/4 mile time/trap speed : n/a
Tires used in the 1/4 : n/a
Size of wheels/tires used during dyno : 245/40-19
Type of Dyno : mustang
Year : '06
Model : g
Motor : Rev-Up
Engine Oil : nissan oem
Plugs : ngk iridium stock temp
Transmission : 6spd
Clutch : Stock
Flywheel : Stock
Short Shifter : Stock
Final Drive Gear Set : Stock
Rear Diff : Stock
Engine Ground Kit : n/a
Engine Internals : stock
Heads : Stock
Intake Manifold : Stock
Lower Intake Manifold : Motodyne mrev2
Intake Manifold Spacer : motordyne 5/16"
Throttle Body : Stock
Intake : stillen w/z-tube
Headers : Stock
Cats : strup Test Pipes
Exhaust : hks hi power
Fuel System : Stock
ECU : osiris reflash
Fuel used on Dyno : 93

note: i have a cel regarding the o2 sensor on one of my cylinder banks (i believe it to be an issue with my non foulers). guy running the dyno said it was costing me upwards 12hp

 

The guy running the dyno really doesn't know what he's talking about.

 

+1

 

Can I also suggest cost per build? Not trying to pry but it can prove useful to others in their decision making process.

Thanks

 

what does this monster run in the 1/4 mile?

 

What monster?