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Old 03-18-2013, 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by XChacalX View Post
he started the thread on 01-24-2013
thats a bit more than 6 weeks
Yes, I was doing research on PPE lth at that time as well. When I was told PPE will mark up the price to $1,300 early of 2013, I have to hurry up placing the order to get the lower price. The group buy people were so lucky to buy the PPE for a steal price.

Since PPE has raised their price to $1,300, which might help some people to consider to buy the SG lth for the quality and extra gain in performace for track or extreme NA setup. Personally, I would buy the SG lth over PPE even though the price different $2,200 vs 1,300 is $900.
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Agreed.

My first set of SG Motorsport headers should be done before months end. Will post pics.
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If SG had theirs a tad under 2K I would be on them like hepatitis on Pamela Anderson
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Originally Posted by XChacalX View Post
the stepped PPE are 1 5/8'' to 1 3/4'' , the transition on my set start at 2 1/8''

the production SGM header are 1 3/4'' to 1 7/8'' the transition if I remember correctly was 2 1/4 to 2 1/2

so, right there a good cam will make more jam from mid to high RPM than the PPE header if the whole setup is sized properly ( intake size & the rest of the exhaust.)
Was your PPE set were design for the HR, DE or RevUp? Because PPE website provided 1 3/4 straight to merge collectors 2 1/4 transitions to 2 1/2. I do not see the info for the stepped HR design spec. If the stepped are step from 1 3/4 to 1 7/8, that would make very close to the SGM Sasha lth design.

I have been followed SGM Sasha built NA VQ35DE for sometime. From what I remember, Sasha was running really huge and extreme CAMS design by JWT, a very well respect company in Nissan community. The CAMS were C9 with approximately 13mm of lift on both intake and exhaust. That is how Sasha able to force more air in the intake and breath more out from the exhaust to extract more power. Sasha did even try the C10 cams on exhaust side, but they did not improve power, so he kept the C9. The SGM lth were design to channel exhaust gas from those huge cams to make that incredible 372 whp seconds behind Fontana 350Z with 470 whp. So, i have no doubt SGM Sasha lth design and flow better than PPE lth for the HR in term of performance.
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Originally Posted by redline06 View Post
If SG had theirs a tad under 2K I would be on them like hepatitis on Pamela Anderson
I agreed your first point. The second point about hepatitis on Pam is funny, LOL. But which hepatitis will you be, A, B or C? LOL.

$1,800-$2,000 for SGM LTH, more people would be draw in interested.
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Originally Posted by MonkeyMagic72 View Post
... Fontana 350Z with 470 whp....
I'm pretty sure based off of their webpage that the number was done with the Engine out of the car and is bhp.

http://www.fontananissanracing.com/Tech_Corner.html
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Figuring a 15%+/- drivetrain loss it would put Fontana Nissan's Z at 400+/- rwhp
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Originally Posted by Kwame View Post
I'm pretty sure based off of their webpage that the number was done with the Engine out of the car and is bhp.

http://www.fontananissanracing.com/Tech_Corner.html
I think you are right Kwame. Fontana only did engine dyno, but still 470hp is beyond impressive. Their VQ35DE were built full high compression Cosworth 3.8L bottom end parts, the finest. Fully built valves and heads works with huge cams to support the extra displacement. They even custom built the dry sump oil from scratch to gain extra horsepower, but still protect the engine internal components at extreme racing condition. I think the Motec M800 ECU was the heart of Fontana racing VQ35DE to help them to achieve that kind of power safely.

How much do you think 470 hp at the crank would translate to wheel horsepower from the Fontana racing 350Z?
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if the they would still make money at say 1700-1800 they would sell tons more and make more profit in long run. still keeping eye on these though. held off on a set of ppe that were in the market place just the other day.
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Take this with a grain of salt. I'm not trying to rip on everyone at once. But, OK honestly, people? "oh if it were 200 to 500 less I'd be in"

Get real. 100% of you spent 200 on lug nuts and 200 on a JWT pop charger.

You got your calipers powder coated, and made sure your windows were tinted.

You did a whole bunch of useless crap and spent a **** tonne more than 2200 dollars and you know it.
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Well if they were 1500$ less I'd buy em wink
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Originally Posted by MonkeyMagic72 View Post

How much do you think 470 hp at the crank would translate to wheel horsepower from the Fontana racing 350Z?
Lol see my post above yours
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Originally Posted by vex008 View Post
if the they would still make money at say 1700-1800 they would sell tons more and make more profit in long run. still keeping eye on these though. held off on a set of ppe that were in the market place just the other day.
I agree, run more sets, these will sell for a lower price. If we can do dyno comparisons between the 2 and SG's prove they make a lot more HP/torque, then maybe the $2200 is worth it.
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Originally Posted by 2TH PWR View Post
Take this with a grain of salt. I'm not trying to rip on everyone at once. But, OK honestly, people? "oh if it were 200 to 500 less I'd be in"

Get real. 100% of you spent 200 on lug nuts and 200 on a JWT pop charger.

You got your calipers powder coated, and made sure your windows were tinted.

You did a whole bunch of useless crap and spent a **** tonne more than 2200 dollars and you know it.
I am guessing I got a little misunderstood there. My post wasnt to cry about the price, just giving a little advice to get more potential buyers that you wouldnt at the 2200 price point.
I agree with you and don't get me wrong, it may be worth the $2200 but I am not saying sell it for less cause I dont want to pay that much. I am guilty of spending $ "on useless crap" and I would pay 2200 for it if its worth that. But realistically from a business aspect not everyone will, and it has to be taken into account.
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Originally Posted by redline06 View Post
Lol see my post above yours
LOL. I guess we both were typing at the same time with the same thought. You posted yours with a single sentence. On other hand, I posted my one paragraph plus a sentence, LOL.

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I definately want these headers. I just personally cannot commit until June. I hope these are still available.

I personally think that these are a steal for $2200. For proper race designed headers the RnD is massivly expensive. Look at other communities, a proper set of headers for a e46 m3 is easily >$2500.
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Originally Posted by canadarob View Post
I definately want these headers. I just personally cannot commit until June. I hope these are still available.

I personally think that these are a steal for $2200. For proper race designed headers the RnD is massivly expensive. Look at other communities, a proper set of headers for a e46 m3 is easily >$2500.
The E46 M3 costs between $50k-$60k brand new, the 350Z costs $30k-$40k. That is $20k in price difference, so the price for the M3 headers or performance parts are obviously higher than the 350Z without a doubt. With that being said, I definitely consider buying these SGM Sasha lth at $2,200 with pure performance aspect of it, but if I can get them at $1,800 I would feel extra happy every time I rev the Z to 8k, plus $400 pocket change.
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The original price of the car is irrelevant. When your talking about high end race quality parts it doesn't matter if it's going on a chevette or a corvette. The production costs don't decline because of what the car originally cost. Materials, research and development, workmanship all dictate the respective price. I'm sure if you were to price a set of moton 3 ways the price would be very similar between a 350z set and m3 set.
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Originally Posted by timmywhatsup View Post
The original price of the car is irrelevant. When your talking about high end race quality parts it doesn't matter if it's going on a chevette or a corvette. The production costs don't decline because of what the car originally cost. Materials, research and development, workmanship all dictate the respective price. I'm sure if you were to price a set of moton 3 ways the price would be very similar between a 350z set and m3 set.
Word.

Especial since the 350Z is fastar on teh track
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