Hi,

Just finished reading the sticky thread on NO2 but I think that gave me more questions than I had to begin with. Please excuse my ignorance...

1. Do the kits have everything you need to install and get going? Or do you need other accessories to do it correct? What is correct?

2. I'm looking for ~30-40hp (30-40 shot) gain, which I think is about as small as it gets with nos. Some kits say things like 50-150hp does this mean they are adjustable or just have jets with the kit to make the hp you want within this range?

3. Why wet for the Z? Wet seems better, but both are offered. Does it matter for a 30-40 shot kit? A dry seems like a simpler install and I know I won't feel the need to upgrade.

4. I've read kits are portable and easily removed. Does this mean I can simply pull it from the Z and use it on another car in the future w/o needing anything but a few new fittings?

5. What kit would you recommend to meet my needs? I see several out there; edelbrock, vex, nx, etc. All the basic kits are in the $500-600 range and don't seem much different by description. For a 30-40 shot kit application would these kits suffice on their own? Again, do these include everything needed to install correctly? I see accessory kits with the heaters, pressure gauge, etc. Are these a must for a 30 shot kit.

6. For a basic 30-40 shot kit do I need to worry about what RPM it comes on? Or is just coming on at WOT satisfactory?

7. Is there a reason I can't install this by myself? IOW, is there any specialty tools I would need?

8. What else did I forget to answer. Feel free to answer!

Thanks for your patience, Mike

PS: I know I can search, and did to a point. But hey, look at the sticky thread on nos, it goes off on tires and everything else. Please save me the time and pass along your experience.

 

My honest opinion is that a 30-40 shot isn't worth the time and effort to install it. Why so low?

 

....wait for it

 

Thanks for your reply. Well, you can look at it a little different. To stay na and get 30-40 (or 50 as it seem this is where many kits start) hp you would have to spend a whole lot more. Adding an ecu, intake, and exhaust modifications would cost lot$ more and still wouldn't get this kind of gain. Yet, they have there advantages. Many here a putting in more effort into just making there car sound cool. I'm sure both these routes are great for them. But with all these mods you would be hard pressed to get a 30hp gain.

I just want safe HP and my car to last a long time. Yeah I read 100 is "safe." But how many of these people claiming that have reached 100k, or more, miles w/o any major work? When I read about them going through tires I find it hard to believe. Maybe as I learn more I'll consider 50-75 shot; maybe not.

For me, living at 6500ft, 30-50hp gives me back the hp lost from being at altitude and then some. Hopefully someone can answer my original questions.

Thanks,

Mike

 

Id like to know the answers to these too

 

um i have been spraying for 30k miles and havnt had one problem

 

Mike, for your goals its sounds to me like you would be better suited with a roots type supercharger. A safe small bump in power. They're also easy enough to install that you could do it in your drive way. At the very least you should check into it.

Technically yes, but you'll want some added safety features like a window switch and maybe a blow down tube if you plan on running at a track. A bottle heater is nice too, and important in keeping your shot where it should be. A 50 shot at 1000lbs would be next to nothing at 700. If you set your pills to give you a 50 shot at 700lbs, what happens on a hot day when the pressure goes up on its own? Its better to be able to control the pressure, and keep an eye on it, so think about buying an electronic nitrous pressure guage. The ones that come with the kit are mechanical and are only good for mounting on the bottle.

My kit claimed 35-75 and came with three sets of pills. 35, 50, 75. Pills (or jets) are really cheap and you'll want to have a large variety of them so you can get exactly the size shot you're looking for.

You may be able to get away with a dry kit with such a small shot. A dry kit would be easier for you to install. But you're tempting fate. More air without more fuel is when things go boom. If you're looking to keep it safe, you'll want to make sure your air/fuel ratio is right on. That's harder to do with a dry kit unless you have some kind of aftermarket fuel system. Also, how would you tune it for when you're not spraying? Again, I think you may be better off with a simple supercharger setup.

How easy it is to remove depends on how cleanly you run your lines. But yes, you can remove it later and use it in a different car.

I recommend the NX import EFI kit. I'm running it and its worked out great for me. The accessory kit will make your set up safer. If the whole point of running such a low shot is to keep your set up safe, why would you cheap out on buying the necessary components to do so?

Again, running a small shot to be safe, but neglecting other safety features makes no sense to me. Is a small shot safe without anything else, honestly I don't know. I've not heard of someone else using a similiar set up. Its a risk you'd have to take.

Nope, just some basic mechanical know how and you'll be fine.

 

Just call Jeremy at the performance factory... Guy knows everything there is to know about Nitrous.. He set me up and I have never had a problem... He will let you know exactly what you need and he has great prices... www.performancefactory.com

 

Such a low shot is a waste. Bare min should be 75. Nitrous is not what you are looking for. Nitrous is for track use and "occasionally" the street. You know who you are..

 

Thanks "integrity" for taking the time to answer my question and you did a great job. Spending the extra for the accessories isn't an issue. Except for NX which recommends their gen-x kit, none of the other manufacturers mention anything about this. The just say everything is included...

The problem I have with these FI kits is you spend a lot of money and ultimately it takes down the value of the car. I looked into FI when I had a miata. I could have sold mine, bought one with a full out fmII kit and come out 4-5 grand ahead.

Plus, I was looking at the nos kits for "occasional" street use. Just to get that extra adrenaline rush and maybe suprise that... next to me. That's why I figured 30-50hp would work fine. I can also change jets and try 75. For most cruising the Z isn't underpowered (like the miata!)

I still don't understand why it wouldn't be worth it? It seems even a small gain like I'm seeking this is best bang for the buck. I can also bring it to the next car and have no one know it was on mine when I sell it. It keeps the value of the car up and I could probably sell the nos kit if I decide not to use it again.

Mike

 

Mike,

I completely understand your sitaution. I know people who have very modded N/A engines, and anything more than a 30-40 shot could do damage, as they are already running a lot more hp on stock blocks. If that is all you'd like to start with, then you are the only one paying for your car, do it. If you will be running a lot of nitrous (a lot of the time) I would highly suggest some extra 10 (or 15) pound containers full so you don't have to go get them filled so often. The reason people don't think that a 30 shot is worth it is because you can get a 75 or 100 or 125 shot for the same price. We are aware that the jets are interchangable, why not let you decide what to use?
Good luck, just like anything that you want to learn, you have to read up.

 

You'll end up at a 100 shot. I barely felt the 75 shot. The only car your going to beat with a 35 shot is a mildly modded Z. Modded evo's, sti'd, srt4 neons and mustangs will still own you. If you don't plan on getting a utec than nitrous is a waste IMO because boredom comes quickly even at 100 shot!

 

What he said. To avoid that boredom I went straight to a 125 shot.

 

I'm at a 100 shot now. I managed a 12.05ET and 113mph trap on ETstreets. I've got a JWT clutch and flywheel waiting to go in and the 125 and 150 shot pills to try out at the track with some race gas. 11's here I come.

The 75 shot was dissapointing. Anything lower then that won't even be felt. After the first or second time you spray you'll be looking to up the shot.

 

Somebody will always have something faster. The guy in the next cubicle has a tt viper making over 1k hp.

Beating turbo'd cars above a mile high with a na is always a tall order. But hey, they're driving warmed over sedans, fast or not.

Maybe I'll start with a 50 shot and go from there. Taking into account what I'm losing at altitude (a tt is the way to go over an sc up here, btw), I'll see about a 20% hp increase. If I can't feel that there must be something wrong.

Thanks, Mike

 

Just warning you right now you won't feel it at all. Even with bottle pressure at 1000psi you won't feel it.

But the good thing is that you'll have the system in place and you can keep dropping in bigger jets.

 

That doesn't mean you should have the slowest car