taurran : "Testing new waters" with the Turbonetics ST
05-30-2007, 09:07 AM
#121
Originally Posted by redline350ZZ
I would say it is more of a longevity concern than an upgrade.
05-30-2007, 09:12 AM
#122
Registered User
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Port Orchard, WA
Posts: 1,648
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by doug
ahh.. ok.. i thought it was because people didn't feel the need to let their cars cool off before shutting down the engine.. if its on a longevity of turbo life concern then i appologize.
05-30-2007, 11:33 AM
#123
Originally Posted by doug
upgrading to a watercooled turbo is a waste of money
First off... Watercooling could lower bearing temps but more than a few hundred degrees below oil cooling alone which might in it's self be enough to save the seals from "Potential" failure. To me I place value in having some peace of mind that I have one less thing to worry about. Same reason I pay insurance every damn month to drive my Z from point A to B. Some would call that a waste of money too until you end up needing it. So instead of making the statment "watercooled turbo is a waste of money" how bout you just say "watercooled turbo is a waste of money to me because I'm an idiot that like to make idiotic statments without supporting facts". Then perhaps your post would have made more sense... Considering.
Second... This just goes to show that the guys at Turbonetics are still working to improve their product line and support. How many repersentitive from Greddy, APS, PE, or HKS are online with us day after day listening to complaints about their product and trying to offer solution before having ship it back for warranty work? Short answer... NONE
How many of the above mentioned companies have helped a customer out even AFTER their warranty period had lapsed (JET- But don't ask him to admit it
)? Again... NONE. Fact of the matter is that I pretty much made the choice to purchase and install this kit over the others BECAUSE I knew I would receive the product support I may come to need in the future. Again.... Not a waste of my money.
The word of the day is.... INSURANCE
Main Entry: in·sur·ance
Pronunciation: in-'shur-&ns, 'in-"shur-
Function: noun
Meaning: ( In case **** Happens )
Last edited by Havok_RLS2; 05-30-2007 at 11:37 AM.
05-30-2007, 12:29 PM
#124
Paying for anything Turbonetics makes is a waste of money. Pull your head out of your @ss. They should send everyone watercooled bearing housings for free as it is obvously required to keep their oil seals intact. Like when they ****ed up the wastegate mounting and blew peoples motors to pieces and created that piece of sh*t wastegate relocation junk. You sound like an idiot being so happy they are going to let you PAY for a watercooled bearing section. Lucky you!
JET
JET
05-30-2007, 12:33 PM
#125
New Member
iTrader: (13)
Originally Posted by JETPILOT
Paying for anything Turbonetics makes is a waste of money. Pull your head out of your @ss. They should send everyone watercooled bearing housings for free as it is obvously required to keep their oil seals intact. Like when they ****ed up the wastegate mounting and blew peoples motors to pieces and created that piece of sh*t wastegate relocation junk. You sound like an idiot being so happy they are going to let you PAY for a watercooled bearing section. Lucky you!
JET
JET
you one shlt experience (in which you admint no fault on your own) means nothign since its just you, compared to the many good experiences poeple have had.
05-30-2007, 12:38 PM
#126
New Member
iTrader: (13)
Originally Posted by JETPILOT
You can suck my *****!
JET
JET
as alwasy insulting when you have nothign else to say... stop acting like a little girl, all sensistive because i called you bitter
05-30-2007, 02:18 PM
#132
Registered User
iTrader: (3)
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Escondido
Posts: 11,373
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by JETPILOT
Paying for anything Turbonetics makes is a waste of money. Pull your head out of your @ss. They should send everyone watercooled bearing housings for free as it is obvously required to keep their oil seals intact. Like when they ****ed up the wastegate mounting and blew peoples motors to pieces and created that piece of sh*t wastegate relocation junk. You sound like an idiot being so happy they are going to let you PAY for a watercooled bearing section. Lucky you!
JET
JET
05-30-2007, 02:22 PM
#133
Registered User
iTrader: (13)
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: In the wrong lane
Posts: 6,433
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by Ed 718
I'm still checking on this guys so please be patient with me. I wil find out if we can get a solid price on this upgrade if at all possible and what else needs to be done.
05-30-2007, 02:50 PM
#134
New Member
iTrader: (13)
Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
I think everyone on this board is MORE then aware of your opinion on Turbonetics and we certainly don't need to hear it 20 times per thread. You moved with kits now move one with the attitude. We're all sick of hearing it.
yeap he is biased against TN... regarless of whos fault it is....its tiring to hear him cry over it "20 times" per thread as you put it.
thats all i meant to say to him, not to insult him or anything... I mean ok Jet you had a bad experiecne but you already moved on turbo kits...so let the hate go already
05-30-2007, 02:54 PM
#135
OGPremierMafia
iTrader: (16)
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Cincinnati OH
Posts: 5,106
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
interested as well in the water cooled upgrade ED, not to mention upgrading to a 62-1 internals if possible... Please let us know. I have yet to install my kit because I was to have every little piece needed at hand and just drive the car down to Forged and Fly home.
05-30-2007, 03:11 PM
#136
Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
Care to explain to me how their wastegate routing blew everyones motor? Turbonetics designed the kit around the stock exhausts but even tested no less then 5 aftermarket exhausts and had no issues. Only certain exhausts have exhibited an issue with overboosting. Regardless of this Turbonetics sent all the customers corrected piping at no cost to resolve this issue. But in the end the issue was created when the END USER switched his exhaust to something else. Tell me this, how many aftermarket compaines turbo kits were tested on every possible exhaust combination. In fact how many were tested with anything but stock or THAT companies exhaust system. NONE. Not one single set up. Turbonetics tested stock, Nismo, 2 Apexis, and 2 Tanabes. Thats already more exhausts then ever other company combined tested with prior to release. I think everyone on this board is MORE then aware of your opinion on Turbonetics and we certainly don't need to hear it 20 times per thread. You moved with kits now move one with the attitude. We're all sick of hearing it.
It's great Turbonetics sent everyone overboost pipes like 6 months later, but motors went, and cost people a lot of money.
Now we have the issue of oil seal failures in a large number of turbo's due to heat. You told me 6 months ago Reggie was looking into sending me a water cooled bearing section. So why hasn't anything been done yet? Not for me... but for others. Rebuild everyones turbo's with water cooled bearing sections that has had problems and do it for free. Because turbo's shouldn't fail when run on synthetic oil, and cooled down properly before shutdown after 10,000 mi. or even less in my case.
It's not due to oil returning to spacers, or what weight oil your running, or oil pressure. It's about thermal failure. Don't sell people crap and tell them they are out of warranty and can't do anything. These are pre existing issues. And for that I takea giant sh*t o nTurbonetics every chance I get. Not to mention Ed being a pr*ck about my oil line.
Get used to it because I'm here to ***** until Turbonetics does right by it's customers. And again it's not me.... I'm done with them.
JET
Last edited by JETPILOT; 05-30-2007 at 03:13 PM.
05-30-2007, 03:26 PM
#137
New Member
iTrader: (13)
Originally Posted by JETPILOT
Get used to it because I'm here to ***** until Turbonetics does right by it's customers. And again it's not me.... I'm done with them.
JET
JET
ok..i am fine... i got my kit with the relocation pipe so i had it rig the when i got it.. sorry you had that overboost issue. I must say 10psi overbooost is not that bad this days though with the latest tunes form the utec and the better understanding of the stock vq internals...still a problem for peeps with he reflash though. My turbo is also fine... but i didn't run it as much as you did but other have run it even more with no issues... so i guess besides the facts you point out which many i understand, regardless of that more than 90% of customers that i know are fine with no issues...
i guess some of your dislike for example like with Ed, you can PM him personally and keep some other threads clean rather than the way you are approaching things in your "crusade" to bash TN.
05-30-2007, 03:27 PM
#138
Registered User
iTrader: (3)
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Escondido
Posts: 11,373
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Originally Posted by JETPILOT
I'll tell you how..... don't mount a wastegate 90 degrees to gas flow and you won't have any issues with any exhaust EVER! Really really poor design. As soon as I had overboost I looked at the wastegate and said... BAM there it is. And everyone tried telling me I was wrong. So I fixed the problem myself.
It's great Turbonetics sent everyone overboost pipes like 6 months later, but motors went, and cost people a lot of money.
Now we have the issue of oil seal failures in a large number of turbo's due to heat. You told me 6 months ago Reggie was looking into sending me a water cooled bearing section. So why hasn't anything been done yet? Not for me... but for others. Rebuild everyones turbo's with water cooled bearing sections that has had problems and do it for free. Because turbo's shouldn't fail when run on synthetic oil, and cooled down properly before shutdown after 10,000 mi. or even less in my case.
It's not due to oil returning to spacers, or what weight oil your running, or oil pressure. It's about thermal failure. Don't sell people crap and tell them they are out of warranty and can't do anything. These are pre existing issues. And for that I takea giant sh*t o nTurbonetics every chance I get. Not to mention Ed being a pr*ck about my oil line.
Get used to it because I'm here to ***** until Turbonetics does right by it's customers. And again it's not me.... I'm done with them.
JET
It's great Turbonetics sent everyone overboost pipes like 6 months later, but motors went, and cost people a lot of money.
Now we have the issue of oil seal failures in a large number of turbo's due to heat. You told me 6 months ago Reggie was looking into sending me a water cooled bearing section. So why hasn't anything been done yet? Not for me... but for others. Rebuild everyones turbo's with water cooled bearing sections that has had problems and do it for free. Because turbo's shouldn't fail when run on synthetic oil, and cooled down properly before shutdown after 10,000 mi. or even less in my case.
It's not due to oil returning to spacers, or what weight oil your running, or oil pressure. It's about thermal failure. Don't sell people crap and tell them they are out of warranty and can't do anything. These are pre existing issues. And for that I takea giant sh*t o nTurbonetics every chance I get. Not to mention Ed being a pr*ck about my oil line.
Get used to it because I'm here to ***** until Turbonetics does right by it's customers. And again it's not me.... I'm done with them.
JET
Last edited by MIAPLAYA; 05-30-2007 at 03:52 PM.
05-30-2007, 03:37 PM
#140
Registered User
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Port Orchard, WA
Posts: 1,648
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The reason I didn't buy a new Turbo was because there is no way at this time it can be guaranteed that a new one won't fail the same way the old one did. All the mentioned tips and recommendations didn't help me so I'm stuck.