Wow, I take a little message board break and all hell breaks loose. Well it seems to be the same old suspects. I apreciate those that had kind words to say about me personally and RA. All's I can do is keep holding my head up high and feel good about the way I treat customers, and be proud of the work we turn out at Relentless Autosports. If anyone has any questions, comments, or concerns........ like I have stated many times, they can ALWAYS call me directly. I am always willing to discuss any and all matters concerning my company and our work. However this thread IS about VRT, not me, and not about RA. I have not been a part of that company for well over a year now...... and it shows.

 

Thanks Tony, Shamrock, Kognition, and Motormouth! To set the record straight, Scott got 2nd in Unlimited at Buttonwillow, I got 1st in Street at Cal Speedway, and each of us qualified 1st in our classes at the Super Lap Battle Qualifier. All in the "Double Down" time attack car.

Yes, I do have an Evo that I just picked up as a daily driver and we are starting to work with that now as a second time attack car that will most likely be driven by me in the Street AWD class. In 2008 the Z will no longer be running the street class so I will be piloting the car in either Modified or Unlimited while Scott drives the other class. Then I will do either street or modified with the Evo as well. I did my first time attack with it last month and took 2nd place in Street with some pretty big setbacks. I don't see why it can't compete for 1st in street AWD with some minor tweaks.

Oh and Shamrock, I am not Scott's "student," just want to get that out there so it doesn't go to his head hahahah. I can just hear him giving me s**t about that comment now...

 

LOL. Fair enough

So your trying to tell me that Scott has not been an instramental part in your driving developement? hmmmm. Ok j/k

 

Yeah he shows me what not to do hahahah j/k. Actually Scott has a very unique driving style that is much different than mine and even though we have know eachother for years, we have only sat passenger with eachother a few times. He usually doesn't like to play "instructor" and we are usually too busy focusing on the car rather than what eachother is doing sadly lol. He has taught me a great deal about car setup and how to read what a car is doing out on the track though. Unfortunately since we share a car, we haven't had the opportunity to go out on the track and battle it out . I am pretty sure he would edge me out though.

 

I would definitely pay to see that!

 

How did you "warn" other potential customers? Were such attempts made at the owners of this site who were taking in the $$$ from these "several vendors on here" that you had experiences that were "disastrous"?

 

+100


i think its a fine tool for tunning, but the numbers it puts out should not be taken as "fact/"actual" untill taken to a DJ IMO



could be mr shlt/a$$ just posting under a different name

mike , why dont you drive the Z and he drives the evo and you guys battle it out... and then switch

 

That wouldn't be very fair to whoever had the Evo .

 

Again, a topic for another thread since my heeding warnings back then as they pertained to other vendors. As far as I know, most of my comments are still out there, so feel free to search around if you'd like.

 

You seem to be pretty reasonable, and I know many think that the DynoJet is taken as the "industry standard", but as I have stated many times before. Weather people like it or not, We have (severall times) taken a customers car that was tuned and dynoed on JWT's (seemingly generous) DynaPack and either the very same day or the very next day have (or have had the customer) take his same car, untouched, same gas, same boost settings, etc. to the (independantly operated) DynoJet at the Dyno Shop to varify or "back up" the numbers recieved at JWT. The two different dyno's, at two different places, owned and operated by two different people are always very close to one another with the DynoJet sometimes reading higher than the JWT "Moon Dyno" Hahaha.

Here is a recent example (customer who wanted a clean/streetable 500whp on 91oct pump gas) and I suggested a DynoJet/DynoPack comparison for all the Naysayers...........

Car on dyno at JWT on the so-called "moon dyno"


DynaPack results


And here is the very next day, about the same time of day, same UNTOUCHED car ie- boost levels, fuel, Meth, etc. on the DynoJet


DynoJet results (one run, just for a peak power)


It looks like the DynaPack numbers on the low boost (14psi) are a bit lower than the DynoJet's, and the two dyno's seem almost identical on the 16psi setting

Draw your own conclusions

 

^^^
am i dreaming... or is this the first dynosheet you have posted here

thats not a bad comparison.....but if i remember i think steve got liek 28whp less on the DJ vs his dynapacks #s ...before he "unbuilt" his motor @ mr a$$s "playground"

see... why leave room for debates???... now just jsut backed up a claim vrt never did about dynojet #s on their cars......

I am pretty reasonable, mike B could have told you that .

 

Yep, pretty much. I just try to stay out of the hater drama, hahaha. But I get sick of all the ignorant (for lack of better word) people saying that the JWT DynaPack numbers are bogas.

 

Although I would like to leave VRT out of this discussion, For the record..... The work we did at VRT (Mark and I) in the begening was very good and was very legit as far as Dyno numbers. Alot of thise early cars we did are still around and doing great today. It is just a bummer that that company and its greedy management had to resort to such disgracefull tactics, that is why we left as soon as we started sencing things starting to go south.

 

Hahaha. I could just imagine it now....... all (or atleast a key few) haters disecting these ^^ Dyno charts, trying as hard as they can to come up with some more shreds of doubt. LOL.... I can hardly wait.

 

I bet those dynosheets are from a Camaro.







J/K Scott!

 

I say its that jug of VP fuel in the bottom right corner of the Dynapack picture.

C16? Nitro Moon Fuel?

J/K Scott!

 

Special Reserve Formula "V" JWT / NISMO dynopac blend super fuel.

 

I just got 2 questions regarding that dyno jet dyno, and Im not antagonizing or flaming, I just have questions..


1)what is going on in the dyno graph at the 4000-4700 rpm range? seems to be some detonation in the peak TQ area/ However it appears the car is makinf peak TQ at 5700 rpms..A bit odd from what we are used to seing.

2)why does the A/F go to 13.0? Was it a faulty O2 sensor? Or were you using race fuel? Typically a 13.0 A/F tends to be a bit bad on 91 octane California gas..

 

This particular car has only 410cc injectors, thus limiting its power potiential. That is why this car is only running on 16psi as its high boost, anymore boost and the fuel pressure would not be able to keep up. When the customer is ready then he is going to come back for some bigger injectors and a high boost re-tune, maybe make the high boost setting 18psi, or even a 20psi setting for race gas. For now we were just concentrating on his goals of 500whp on 91oct pump gas on the car as is. I asure you these charts are both on 91oct pump gas (Calif) with a Snow Performance Meth/H20 injection. I apreciate your concern, and your nicely worded questions though.

 

Are you guys using a booster pump to achieve 500+ HP on a 440cc injector?