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Old Dec 18, 2007 | 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
Once again, this would 100% never take place at my shop, so this would be a non issue.
Once again, holier than thou. You are so blinded to think that this couldn't happen. It could happen to you and it could happen to anyone.


Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
Im telling you, this would never happen at my establishment.Therefore your argument is bogus..I understand your frustration for falling victim to a con man ran company.Dont feel bad, even the magazines fell for it..
Once again, it could happen to you. Now stop acting like you are so much better and smarter.



Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
You cant even be serious can you? There were parts put on that build that Sharif posted, that were not in the motor, and in fact did not even exist Is that not in typical VRT fashion weve all come to know and love? You surely must either be Hypnotized, or VERY easily conned my friend..Wanna buy a bridge I got for sale??
Wow are you really this stupid of just a dense tool? Sharif knew what happened, and im sure you read the whole thread. Noah made the build sheet off speculation. Scott never made that build sheet or any build sheet for that motor. It was a very informal arrangement between the parties because they all knew each other. Noah already took credit for the screwed up build sheet and even the owner of the car chimed in to explain that everything was cool. Wow. You and your selective reading are just getting ridiculous!


Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
Im not the one that keeps associating myself and my shop with VRT and cars that were built there am I? No Im not...We all know no car at VRT ever made over 460whp, and their 600+and 800+ whp cars that Scott keeps taking credit for, were completely smoke and mirrors..
How do we know that? Have ever even seen a VRT car in person? I will admit the last things they did were ****. But the guy they had building the engines first has been doing this for 30 years and knows way more about the VQ than you or probably anyone on this forum. He knew what he was doing and im sure that some of their earlier cars that Mark Brent made were good.



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Ok...Whatever you say..
Great response.

Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
You mean the REAL competition like GTM,Sharif,PF,AAM,SP,Intense,Injected??? The LEGITIMATE shops that make HP, and back it up with dyno after dyno after dyno..Those shops? Which shops are you reffering to??
If RA is not a real competitor why don't you build a car, learn how to do a little more than drive in a straight line for 10 seconds and try to compete with their double down Z?

Now im done arguing with you Julian. You are a tool and just trying to stir up trouble. This thread is still about VRT. So how bout you stop bringing RA into this.
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 09:45 AM
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Default VRT/Mr A scammed you...

Fallenromeo, and the members of my350z.com assisted you in recouping those funds/parts.(MRC/julian included..)

Question to you, FR:
besides informing you that you were getting scammed, did scott make any other efforts to assist you?... or help you at all?...
He was in a position to do so, but he clearly chose not too.
(this puts into question his business practices and ethics)

I would like to clarify that I am not attacking you, just trying to open your eyes a tiny bit. You should re-read Julians posts, what he says makes PERFECT SENSE.
Stand back, take a deep breath and look at it from an impartial POV...


VRT/Mr A (and all others alike) ftmfl !
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Reality350
Question to you, FR:
besides informing you that you were getting scammed, did scott make any other efforts to assist you?... or help you at all?...
He was in a position to do so, but he clearly chose not too.
(this puts into question his business practices and ethics)
The fact that he told him the truth should say plenty about Scott's integrity. And in the case of a partial versus majority owner of a business in the midst of possible internal legal action, how do you know what he was in a position to do from either a monetary or policy standpoint?
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Reality350
Fallenromeo, and the members of my350z.com assisted you in recouping those funds/parts.(MRC/julian included..)

Question to you, FR:
besides informing you that you were getting scammed, did scott make any other efforts to assist you?... or help you at all?...
He was in a position to do so, but he clearly chose not too.
(this puts into question his business practices and ethics)

I would like to clarify that I am not attacking you, just trying to open your eyes a tiny bit. You should re-read Julians posts, what he says makes PERFECT SENSE.
Stand back, take a deep breath and look at it from an impartial POV...


VRT/Mr A (and all others alike) ftmfl !
I appreciate you not attacking me, but you are mistaken. Scott is the primary reason I got my correct parts I paid for and got some of my money back. He was the eyes and ears of everything. He offered his help in many ways, I insisted on keeping it quiet to protect him. He fed me knowledge, told me exactly what to do, everything was because of him. He is the reason that I first came on here. My very first post on this forum was the thread "Work done by VRT" I was not a member until he told me to come on here and post that thread to help get some public support. Everything I did was because of his help. I had no idea what to do or where to go to get help, I did not even know this forum existed. He walked me along the path which led to me getting my stuff back. Scott could not have possibly been more helpful to me during this whole fiasco. I could not even get a call back from MrA until Scott said to come here and make it public. As soon as I did, MrA called me 4 times in one day begging to sweep this under the rug. Scott did absolutely everything within his power to help me by feeding me knowledge, helping me make this public, even offering free services by checking the work that VRT did after he left. I kept him out of it to protect him. But do not be mistaken, there is NO ONE that did more than Scott for me. He is the reason I got my parts and money. Without him I never would have been here, made this public, or got my correct parts or money back.
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
You mean the REAL competition like GTM,Sharif,PF,AAM,SP,Intense,Injected??? The LEGITIMATE shops that make HP, and back it up with dyno after dyno after dyno..Those shops? Which shops are you reffering to??

Scott has an ongoing tendancy to shoot his mouth off and make claims/statements on here without dynos or videos to back them up. And whenever he gets called on it, he makes **** poor excuses. This is very relevant to this thread IMO, because Scott's ongoing post behavior in this respect is very VRT-esque and I think the moderators should do a better job of holding him accountable as a shop/sponsor for making performance claims without offering proof. After what has happened with VRT, I think the mods should be looking for red flags so that history does not repeat itself on the community. And I think holding shops responsible for backing up their claims is a good start. Look at Scott's posts on technical issues/performance claims from when he worked at VRT, as well as Mr. A's posts, and compare them with Scott's recent posts. Same old BS.

Here is the latest example about the JWT "monster cams". --> https://my350z.com/forum/forced-induction/320862-can-somebody-list-the-fastest-spooling-twin-turbo-kit-to-the-slowest-twin-turbo-spool-6.html

What kind of legitimate shop does R&D on prototype parts without recording and saving the results??? I've been present at a local shop here and witnessed proper R&D where everything was being recorded and ALL the dynos were saved. Also, (once again) he's making assertions about parts/components that are contrary to the common knowledge of the community. Bigger cams are known to shift the power curve to the right on a dyno chart. Once again, Scott has no dyno chart or video of the run to prove us all wrong. We're just supposed to take his word for it.

Also, what about the inconsistencies in Scott's posts, like these about the power capability of the 700bb kit? --> https://my350z.com/forum/showpost.ph...&postcount=848
Oh, and again no dynos to support either assertion. So which performance claim are we supposed to believe?

I understand that Scott has loyal customers who feel they have been treated well and fairly by him both while at VRT and RA. I'm not making assertions or accusations that Scott has ripped anyone off. Scott and his supporters have pointed out that RA has not had any customer complaints or allegations of wrong doing against RA. That is very commendable.

However, I think RA customers/supporters need to take a step back and realize the similarities between Scott's post behavior (especially in the FI section) and VRT's history of behavior on this forum. It seems like every other shop on here finds the time and makes an effort to back up their performance claims by sharing their dyno charts and/or videos with us, or by having satisfied customers provided with dyno sheets that are willing and able to do it for them. Why won't Scott/RA do the same if he truly wants to separate and differentiate himself from VRT???

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Old Dec 18, 2007 | 12:30 PM
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What will it take for people to understand that when Scott worked for VRT there were no problems, and that when the signs of poor business ethics started to show he left and did the best as he could to leave as quickly and quietly as possible!

Gotta love peoples selective reading, and going back to issues that already have/had explinations!
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by roneski
The fact that he told him the truth should say plenty about Scott's integrity. And in the case of a partial versus majority owner of a business in the midst of possible internal legal action, how do you know what he was in a position to do from either a monetary or policy standpoint?
i think in corporate america we call it CYA
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 01:13 PM
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i'm still confused about if Scott was there when **** went down.. or not when **** went down? as i asked in this post

https://my350z.com/forum/showpost.ph...&postcount=845

then from fallenromeo's post it appears Scott was still there when sh@t was going down.. even though Scott said he was long gone..

can we get some actual time lines?
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by doug
i think in corporate america we call it CYA
Which is exactly what he did....
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 01:59 PM
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Which is exactly what he did....
yeah i agree.. if my partner and i have been skimming profits (hypothetically) and we are about to be busted for it.. damn right i am going to run to the customers and tell them first(hypothetically)

i'm not saying this is what Scott did... however him teling the customers about it before hand doesn't prove that he is ethical.. it proves he got out before the fire got hot and then covered his as$ by telling the customers the secrets.

Scott still has alot of unanswered questions.. surely once they are cleared up his credibility will be restored


- was here there when the BS started or not? because he says he wasn't.. then he says he was.. then customers say he warned them before he left.. which would indicate he was
- whats the deal with these magical cams?
- why didn't they redyno any of those monster cars on other dynos
- why he is so screative about his information.. and comes off as a use car sales man

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=CXEGyGnQPRQ

Old Dec 18, 2007 | 03:37 PM
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WTF????
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 03:44 PM
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heres the sport compact car article they wrote about being scammed by vrt...enjoy...

http://s70.photobucket.com/albums/i1...article004.jpg
http://s70.photobucket.com/albums/i1...article002.jpg
http://s70.photobucket.com/albums/i1...article006.jpg

FIXED....

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Old Dec 18, 2007 | 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by fallenromeo


Wow are you really this stupid of just a dense tool?
Now were resorting to NAME CALLING? Isnt that a T.O.U. violation using abusive language towards another member??

Originally Posted by fallenromeo
Sharif knew what happened, and im sure you read the whole thread. Noah made the build sheet off speculation. Scott never made that build sheet or any build sheet for that motor. It was a very informal arrangement between the parties because they all knew each other. Noah already took credit for the screwed up build sheet and even the owner of the car chimed in to explain that everything was cool. Wow. You and your selective reading are just getting ridiculous!
So, at any point did Noah work for VRT??


Originally Posted by fallenromeo
But the guy they had building the engines first has been doing this for 30 years and knows way more about the VQ than you or probably anyone on this forum.
OK, but does he know his magical engines with OEM parts were recipies for failure? Anyone can make a mid 400hp engine hold together with tape and bubblegum and get lucky. But the VRT cars in question never came close to making the reported power they made. PERIOD...





Originally Posted by fallenromeo
If RA is not a real competitor why don't you build a car, learn how to do a little more than drive in a straight line for 10 seconds and try to compete with their double down Z?
For me to make my car time attack ready, would be very simple for us to do at this point.The quality parts we have chosen for our builds have proven time and time again to work and work well. I have no doubt our car would complete a full race problem free, however I personally am not skilled in road coarse driving and I admit that, however we will be changing that this year to come.
Originally Posted by fallenromeo
Now im done arguing with you Julian. You are a tool and just trying to stir up trouble. This thread is still about VRT. So how bout you stop bringing RA into this.
Wow, typical ignorance at its best..Resort to name calling and denial..How can one hold a valid intelligent debate with someone so obtuse?
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Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
So, at any point did Noah work for VRT??
He didn't work for VRT. And that engine was not from VRT. It was from RA. And Noah works for GT Spec. he made the build sheet. I know you can read, so why don't you really soak in what you read? It appears on your screen but I guess you just lack the depth to really understand it. That is why you continue to stir up trouble. Either it is above your level of understanding, or you just don't want to because you like causing trouble. Im guessing it is the second choice.

By the way, if it is so easy for you to get your car time attack ready, then do it. prove us wrong and make a car that can hang with the double down Z. Prove me wrong and I will publicly apologize to you.

And who are you to question Mark Brent? He knows more about the VQ engine than you ever will. Oh, and the engine has not failed yet. It is still going strong, so where do you get that it is a failure?

Oh, and it isn't a debate when you are just stirring up trouble with no facts. That is mudslinging and I don't expect anything intelligent to come from you as long as you keep this up.
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Originally Posted by fallenromeo
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By the way, if it is so easy for you to get your car time attack ready, then do it. prove us wrong and make a car that can hang with the double down Z. Prove me wrong and I will publicly apologize to you.
Wow...Several thousand dollars in prep costs, and shipping the car to Cali, and airfair,hotels,ect..Just to get an online appology from you.. No thank you..
Originally Posted by fallenromeo
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And who are you to question Mark Brent? He knows more about the VQ engine than you ever will.
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Show me one or two LEGITIMATE dyno JET dynos of cars he has built..I personally never heard of Mark Brent before VRT..
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
Wow...Several thousand dollars in prep costs, and shipping the car to Cali, and airfair,hotels,ect..Just to get an online appology from you.. No thank you..
why would you waste your time building a car? lets wait for the next high powered car to come out of Sharif's shop that does road racing and slap some MRC Stickers on it
Old Dec 18, 2007 | 04:28 PM
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wtf is up with the myspace page?... only explanation is that it was done pre-2006, ROFL
Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
Please explain 2 things...
1) why would Scott go behind his bos/partners back to tell one of his customers he was being ripped off?Sounds very unprofessional to me.And I would have beat feat the second that comment was made to me..

2)Scott has been confirmed as part owner in VRT, so how would he have no idea what was going on with peoples cars?



To me it sounds as if one party wanted to break off from the other and start their own business,and did it by badmouthing their current partner..
There definitely are alot of fact left out and yet to be discovered I would assume..
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Originally Posted by fallenromeo

And who are you to question Mark Brent? He knows more about the VQ engine than you ever will. .
ok here is where i get ignorant.. you shouldn't open your fcking mouth and talk **** you don't know..

Mark Brent doesn't know more about the VQ motor than Julian does.. Mark Brent knows more about the VG30DETT motor.. he doesn't know more about the VQ.. get your **** correct before you make an a$$ out of yourself

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