CAMA updated their web site.

http://www.camplaps.org/Info.asp


Should be more info as stated in this update by december.

It would be nice to have a few more people to the meeting that is behind a new track. In other words we need new blood!

 

Darrel- I read the news release, but didn't see any request for a public meeting. There was mention of a zoning request in December, but I'm not sure they would want, or need, any public display of support for motorsports at that meeting. Did I miss something?

We'll definitely need new blood, old blood and some serious $$ to make East of Eden a reality.

 

Sorry, I meant new blood for the z club and more people for the z club meeting in December. Granted there wasn't a lot of information in novembers meeting and the vocal minority spoke out. Maybe the next meeting and info some of them might soften their stance about the track days not making the club money.

 

1st Wed in December at Brooklyn's by Invesco Field... this is the meeting we should find out more. The Nov. meeting was just a shouting match. The club's purpose is not to make money like some members suggest, it is to let members enjoy the "hobby" that is the Z car.

 

Looks like ZCCC needs to clarify the financial situation with track day events. As I recall, the track days were known as the only activity which actually MADE money for the club?

Burro races, wine tasting and museum visits aren't going to attract my attention. Nothing against them, but they're not what I'm looking for!

 

This is the very reason I haven't joined yet.

 

a little more reading

http://www.camplaps.org/news/CAMA_11...ws_release.pdf

 

Well, I did my homework assignment and found the business plan to be interesting reading. The East of Eden track sounds realistic and the synopsis of the other efforts around Colorado (to build road racing tracks) sound equally unrealistic. The bottom line is, even if everything goes extremely well, the new track would not be ready for use until 2008.

The other interesting item was the amount refunded from the operation of the now-defunct SCR. The Multi-Car Clubs, of which the ZCCC was one of eight, had their FULL initial investment returned. That means after years of use and hundreds, or thousands of dollars being raised by ZCCC track days, the club got ALL of that money returned! Someone in the club itself should look at that kind of investment and return on dollar. I'd suggest the club Treasurer would have the best perspective.

East of Eden and CAMA will need the support of ALL these clubs to make this a go. I think, based on past history, there is a strong business case to reinvest that money back into the new track. THAT'S what needs to be presented to ZCCC's membership! SCCA is already onboard and hopefully, NASA will join the party.

 

Wow. The place is surrounded by a gun range, city dump site, and chemical waste depot. Let's see any houses be built up to this track! LOL.
Sounds good so far though. A long drive from the Springs, but so was SCR. 465 acres is a lot of land, so that should give a good noise buffer to surrounding areas. If it does open by 2009, I'll be happy. May even have to join the ZCCC- if they don't lose my dues for a third time.
Will

 

I was corresponding with Roy Davis who is the ZCCC rep at MCCA about the upcoming CAMA meeting. It is not open to the public. In fact, only the reps from the 5 major clubs are attending. Keep in mind that MCCA is one of the clubs and is composed of several smaller clubs, one of which is the ZCCC. In other words, even Roy isn't invited.

Confused yet?

Here it is in more detail if you're interested:
CAMA has the following members:
- RMVR (Rocky Mountain Vintage Racing, Ltd.),
- SCCA (Sports Car Club of America, Colorado Region),
- PCA (Porsche Club of America, Rocky Mountain Region),
- MRA (Motorcycle Racing Association) and
- MCCA (Multi-Car Clubs Alliance, representing eight smaller clubs:
Alfa, Audi, BMW, Shelby American, Lotus, Mercedes, Viper and Z Car)

 

"The five major clubs...."

it's like the Godfather

 

2nd creek was and still is bordering the most polluted land in the US. They say they have it all cleaned up and contained,,,, yeah riiight ;-) Look how close all the houses are there now.

Maybe it'll take 50yrs before encroachment but I won't be around then. ;-)

 

I'm glad that I wasn't the only one that has happened to.

Mudd

 

Darrel,
You are mistaken about who is attending the CAMA Meeting. Both Roy and Ken are going to be attending that meeting. The plan is to ask all the questions posed by the membership and to request someone from CAMA to attend the Dec. meeting of ZCCC and give a presentation on the track and to answer questions concerning the track. This is to enable to ZCCC members to make an informed decision about how to spend the clubs money. All those who are unhappy with the course the club is taking on this issue can use this opportunity to influence that course. Obviously this is only possible if you are a member.

Craig

 

I didn't make myself very clear about which meeting we should have supporters for a new track. The multicar club is already behind it, but it would be nice to get the general z club membership behind it as well. But Roy never had all the information before the meeting to make a solid propsal. At the same time those voicing their opposition didn't have all the stats on what the track events have done for the z club.

That is why it got a little heated from what I heard. Hopefully everybody will be calmed down and have better information for the new track to what track events have meant to the z club.

 

A little more info in the December odometer.

http://www.zccc.org/odocurr.htm

 

+10000. If a club gets over the edge with dues, you scare members away. I want my money to go into the car and the hobbie not into a bank account. Ill help support the track by donation not by how much is made from the club every year. Maybe thats why ive wanted to start a new Z club in the area to help bring at least the 350Z owners back together in a unified group that doesnt cost to join but has all the same perks such as discounts, tune days, organized track events and cruises. But thats just my dreaming....

I look forward to seeing where this track goes, I love PMI, but dang if that aint a long drive!

 

In reply to your comment on dues, let me say that the Z club dues are hardly over the edge. A family membership is $45 a year and single is $35. I'm guessing that a membership in BMW or Porsche runs considerably more but don't quote me. To have a club with no dues and organize track events is "pie in the sky". Even the CHP track costs several thousand dollars to rent. How would you manage that with no dues? Add to that the cost of insurance which is mandatory at most of the tracks and it goes even higher. These events all cost money and it must come from somewhere. Getting 10 people to agree on and attend the last PMI event was no easy feat. Image doing that several times a year and being a credible track customer with no money in the bank. You'll back out of one event for lack of minimal participation and that track manager won't even accept your phone calls the next time.
Rather than dilute or duplicate the effort of organizing and running these events, it may be more beneficial to unify and present a larger more well financed organization to provide the events and services you want for your car.
All of the Z club events are planned by members, for the enjoyment of members using the resources of the club. If there is something you would like to do with your car and think others would be interested, join the club and organize an event. You might find it to be a lot of fun.
Just my $.02

 

Not tryin to pick bones, and I have nothing against the Z club. Im not trying to be mean to them as I have respect for any club that brings car people together. However, having said that, i ran a hugly succesfull club on the DU campus for three years and at the peak of our dues it was 5 bucks a year to cover operating costs. We had events through out the year, several very commited sponsors that still support the group, and a lot of happy members. It was more about the cars and i got a good turn out becuse of that. If everyone pays the fees they owe to get themselves on a track, its never an issue. Look at the PMI events, each member pays their 100 bucks and its a done deal. David could charge people for his time to be on track but its more about everyone learning how to handle the car and having fun. Thats the sort of feel i think a lot of clubs have lost. Just becuse porsche or BMW charge huge fees, doesnt mean Z owners need to. They are a different class and to compare the Zs with them i think it somewhat out of league. In terms of support the dev of new tracks, im all behind what the Z club is doing, but look at the conversation we are hearing about. They are thinking they might not do it becuse it might not make them money? Isnt that sort of lost from the theory behind what why we join these clubs? Shouldnt a club be happy at staying even? I guess i have a different view on it. To me it seems that you shouldnt have to pay to come together as a group, and having attended a couple of meetings, im not really sure what my dues would benfit me for other than the discounts, which when still having good sponsors that take care of me, im not as inclinded to do as others. You can get sponsors to a club without dues, what sponsors want is business, you bring them more of that on a regular basis of course they will give you discounts. So enough of my ranting, sorry to go on a tangent on this thread, feel free to move it. If we want to further debate it, id say we start a new thread about it and not muck this one up! Cheers guys!

 

Oh and by the way. The other reason for starting a new club is to present something for the more modern Z's that has a more current image. Not sure if you have gone, but the number of 350s/G35s there is at the bottom. Its for the most part classics so the conversations are very different and its not a club inclinded to new blood so far as i have seen. I tried to offer my services to them without stepping on toes to help bring a more modern image and bring in people that were fence sitting like myself, and i was all but ignored as of now... Really really nice guys and gals and i had a lot of fun racing with their old president, but it doesnt change what has happened in the past.