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Old May 10, 2010 | 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by snobes
yes but it doesnt monitor knock above 5000rpm
yes and no.

i've had it switch to my high det map above 5k before on a log....that means it knew there was a knock event and switched to the high detonation map. so technically it does but everyone says it doesnt. Not sure how it works, all i know is i have personally had it switch to a high det map over 5k.
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Old May 10, 2010 | 07:34 PM
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maybe it was a monday morning and feeling a little slow
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Old May 10, 2010 | 10:15 PM
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Hmmmm...that's interesting...
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Old May 11, 2010 | 05:19 AM
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hey Op

your timing is just fine.

trust me !!!
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Old May 11, 2010 | 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by SmallTuner
hey Op

your timing is just fine.

trust me !!!
Can you elaborate? Don't know if you're being sarcastic.
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Old May 11, 2010 | 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by binder
yes and no.

i've had it switch to my high det map above 5k before on a log....that means it knew there was a knock event and switched to the high detonation map. so technically it does but everyone says it doesnt. Not sure how it works, all i know is i have personally had it switch to a high det map over 5k.
It really depends where you knock. If you start knocking below 5K rpm then of course it will automatically switch to the Hight_Det map for the entire time. This is not a full standalone or like Utec that can only retard timing at the specific load and RPM and leave the rest of your tune. With Osiris, if it sees knock then you automatically switch to the very conservative map which will hurt performance. You may have seen it switched to a high_det map but it may be something else that trigger it...

The problem is that you may not detonate until high boost and high rpm. For example, you can be cruising on the freeway on a hot summer day and all of a sudden you had to downshift to 5000rpm because a 700whp Civic is gaining on you. Guess what, your ECU will no do anything. You can have a bad set of Gas and you maybe fine at vacuum or low boost but start knocking once you hit 5+ psi. This happen to me! I was fine at <4psi but once I get on it I start knocking. Once you downshift on a race you will not see <5000rpm until you finish the race so bye bye motor....

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Old May 11, 2010 | 07:39 AM
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In my case I always see sub 5K because I'm 5AT and my gears are longer

But that's besides the point...lol.
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Old May 11, 2010 | 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by athenG
This is why I wont use Osiris for street tuning because it doesn't have a way to monitor knock and not to mention it doesn't support 3rd party WB so street tuning is a pain...
^ Agreed.

Regarding your timing values -

FWIW on my stock block with HKS twin turbos @6-7 psi and the UTEC with 93 octane I was running around 18 degrees advance at torque peak (~4500 rpm) and 22 degrees at redline. A/F was usually high 11's. In all my logs, I never recorded any knock. This doesn't mean those numbers are safe or that I just wasn't detecting the knock, but it's just another data point. Granted I only ran this way for a couple of months last fall, and the ambient temps in my area during that time were always below 60F.

Now I have a Haltech and I am starting off with significantly lower numbers. The car still feels just as fast...the knock sensor is picking up a lot of noise but no huge spikes that I would consider to be definite knock. I haven't finished tuning my knock settings yet so they are still overly sensitive.
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Old May 11, 2010 | 10:06 AM
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athens, i know how it's "supposed" to work below 5k and not above 5k but mine didn't jump to high det map until 6500 so well above the 5k "cutoff". I assumed it was due to knock because after seeing that i dialed back my low det map and never had the issue again. so idk

GT-ER, i'll trade you my 3.5's for your 3.3's!
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Old May 11, 2010 | 11:04 AM
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/\ do you know what other criteria that will lead for the ECU to switched to the High_Det map? Does it look at coolant temp or IAT or just plain knock? I'm asking because maybe it is something else that triggered it. The high_det map is like the ECU's safe mode so if it sees anything wrong it will go there right?
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Old May 11, 2010 | 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by athenG
/\ do you know what other criteria that will lead for the ECU to switched to the High_Det map? Does it look at coolant temp or IAT or just plain knock? I'm asking because maybe it is something else that triggered it. The high_det map is like the ECU's safe mode so if it sees anything wrong it will go there right?
i was under the impression that only knock was the criteria. it definitely doesn't adjust timing based on IAT or coolant temps like the BA haltech i have now does. I'm not an uprev tuner though so i don't know all the in's and out's of the stock ecu.
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Old May 11, 2010 | 12:36 PM
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OK, the knock control was one of my main concern when I was talking to Jared via Email and he did confirm that ECU doesnt monitor knock above 5000rpm because there is just to much noise up. If it does act above that then Osiris would've confirmed it and shut up all the basher..
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Old May 11, 2010 | 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by binder

GT-ER, i'll trade you my 3.5's for your 3.3's!
I already have a 3.5 diff...but I'm going to install the 3.3 again because it's kinda scary when 2nd gear tosses me to the side...lol.

Today I beat the living crap out of the car and it hasn't broken yet so I'm just going to leave it alone for now...till I get more mods.
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Old May 12, 2010 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by GT-ER
I already have a 3.5 diff...but I'm going to install the 3.3 again because it's kinda scary when 2nd gear tosses me to the side...lol.

Today I beat the living crap out of the car and it hasn't broken yet so I'm just going to leave it alone for now...till I get more mods.
get better tires.

if you don't have over 500hp going to a 3.3 will bog that car down a bunch.
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Old May 12, 2010 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by binder
get better tires.

if you don't have over 500hp going to a 3.3 will bog that car down a bunch.
I have Nitto NT555 275/30/20 tires and negative camber isn't too bad and 2nd gear side steps a lot. I also have a transgo shift kit which doesn't help.

I really don't want to go to the 3.3 though but I don't know what better tires I can get that won't break the bank for 20" wheels.
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Old May 12, 2010 | 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by GT-ER
I have Nitto NT555 275/30/20 tires and negative camber isn't too bad and 2nd gear side steps a lot. I also have a transgo shift kit which doesn't help.

I really don't want to go to the 3.3 though but I don't know what better tires I can get that won't break the bank for 20" wheels.
tires that go on 18" rims

and with 20's i'd really be concerned going 3.3's

get the 555r's. actually my falken 452's weren't too terribly bad for street stuff. second gear they broke loose a little but it was controllable.
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Old May 12, 2010 | 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by binder
tires that go on 18" rims

and with 20's i'd really be concerned going 3.3's

get the 555r's. actually my falken 452's weren't too terribly bad for street stuff. second gear they broke loose a little but it was controllable.
The 555R's are drag radials and only come in 275/40/20 which is WAY too tall for my car.

I've looked into the NT05's but they too don't come 275/30...they come 275/35 which I don't know how it'll look.
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Old May 12, 2010 | 06:24 PM
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Originally Posted by GT-ER
The 555R's are drag radials and only come in 275/40/20 which is WAY too tall for my car.

I've looked into the NT05's but they too don't come 275/30...they come 275/35 which I don't know how it'll look.
sometimes it's not about the looks....gotta compromise.

and roll those fenders and stuff the 555r's in there. it'll be worth it!
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