Arrival of 06's at the Dealer?
08-17-2005, 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by greenkoolaid
A dealer told me (I know, they don't know squat) that the '06s will come out when most of the '05s are gone. Nissan does not want a ton of '05s sitting on the lots after the '06s get come. Apparently there are still '05s sitting in ports in California that still need to go. So yeah, get an '05 so it will be that much sooner that I can get an '06.
08-17-2005, 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by davidahn
They ARE willing to offer $300 above invoice, so it's possible to get invoice (though they'll tell you they won't). I don't know if they're going to be as flexible when the new '06s roll out, though. Probably $1-1.5K over invoice... I guess I'll see when they come out.
http://www.nissannews.com/nissan/new...11094506.shtml
-LamaZ
08-17-2005, 08:30 AM
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Well, since pricing isn't available yet. I had various dealers compete for the price based on this year's info keeping in mind that they are expected to raise the cost about 1% which is roughly $300 to $500.
Now, I started negociating using the tips from:
http://www.carbuyingtips.com
and finally got one dealer to agree to make $750.00 clean profit.
So if you do the math its:
Invoice - Factor Holdback + $750.00 = my Sale Price.
Factory Holdback is about %3 of MSRP for 2005. If you use this years data, the sale price would be about $300.00 under invoice. So I am expecting roughly the same results.
The only reason why the dealer is willing to make me this deal, is because he isn't taking any risk. The car arrives and it is already sold. So he doesn't have to keep it on his lot and keep incurring costs.
-LamaZ
Now, I started negociating using the tips from:
http://www.carbuyingtips.com
and finally got one dealer to agree to make $750.00 clean profit.
So if you do the math its:
Invoice - Factor Holdback + $750.00 = my Sale Price.
Factory Holdback is about %3 of MSRP for 2005. If you use this years data, the sale price would be about $300.00 under invoice. So I am expecting roughly the same results.
The only reason why the dealer is willing to make me this deal, is because he isn't taking any risk. The car arrives and it is already sold. So he doesn't have to keep it on his lot and keep incurring costs.
-LamaZ
08-17-2005, 10:41 AM
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Interesting. I've read those same tips before, just never tried it. 
I guess I'll try it too.
Am I the only one that suspects that invoice prices are bunk? The 2-3% dealer holdbacks CAN'T be the only thing dealers are making when they sell at invoice. I think invoice prices were invented to create a price floor below which customers wouldn't venture. In no other industry do people disclose what they paid wholesale; why do auto dealers? I think it's to dupe customers. I would NEVER sell anything that expensive at a 2-5% profit.
David
I guess I'll try it too.Am I the only one that suspects that invoice prices are bunk? The 2-3% dealer holdbacks CAN'T be the only thing dealers are making when they sell at invoice. I think invoice prices were invented to create a price floor below which customers wouldn't venture. In no other industry do people disclose what they paid wholesale; why do auto dealers? I think it's to dupe customers. I would NEVER sell anything that expensive at a 2-5% profit.
David
08-17-2005, 11:05 AM
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Don't forget that most dealers get money back from the bank if they sell their cars fast enough...called "Floor Plan Assistance".
The dealer that gave me my deal said the only reason that he is giving me the deal that we agreed to is because he gets to keep his 15 days worth of "Floor Plan Assistance" with my purchase. So he is making $750.00 + whatever Floor Plan Assistance for just about 1 or 2 hours worth of work.
Somebody had asked me if my purchase was a Roadster....yes it is! Check out my signature for details.
-LamaZ
The dealer that gave me my deal said the only reason that he is giving me the deal that we agreed to is because he gets to keep his 15 days worth of "Floor Plan Assistance" with my purchase. So he is making $750.00 + whatever Floor Plan Assistance for just about 1 or 2 hours worth of work.
Somebody had asked me if my purchase was a Roadster....yes it is! Check out my signature for details.
-LamaZ
08-17-2005, 12:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Moreorles
I am currently looking for an enthusiast. There are none available. The current supply of Z's on the market is horrible. I have a saleman looking for what I want. I hope to hear back from him today. If he can't find it, I will order an 06 and wait.
3 auto SS Enthusiasts and 1 6sp SS enthusiast...
The 6spd one is at Union City Nissan (Jonesboro GA) 770-964-4900
Good Luck!
08-17-2005, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by ChangingZgame
Personally, I'm not "holding out" for an 06. Its just impossible to find an 05 Track Z in VA. In fact, I'd rather have an 05, I like the 05 track rims a lot more than the 35th Annys.
08-17-2005, 01:09 PM
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If you are a patient man or like the changes in the 06, wait. VPP price should not be much higher; resale be higher; you get the distinction of being the first on your block with the new lights and wheels(?) maybe the new color.
08-17-2005, 01:33 PM
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Just saw pictures of the new LED taillights. I think I'll wait 'til the '06.
LamaZ, why are you waiting 'til December? Won't something very similar to what you want come in in the next month or two?
David
LamaZ, why are you waiting 'til December? Won't something very similar to what you want come in in the next month or two?
David
08-17-2005, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by lamaz
Agreed....
(In a hypnotyzing voice) You are getting very sleeeeepy. You want a 2005 Z because you find the 300HP rev up motor useless. You really want that 2005 Z, the new headlights are ugly and the tail lights are even worse....buy the 2005 now.
-LamaZ
(In a hypnotyzing voice) You are getting very sleeeeepy. You want a 2005 Z because you find the 300HP rev up motor useless. You really want that 2005 Z, the new headlights are ugly and the tail lights are even worse....buy the 2005 now.
-LamaZ
08-18-2005, 05:02 AM
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Originally Posted by davidahn
Just saw pictures of the new LED taillights. I think I'll wait 'til the '06.
LamaZ, why are you waiting 'til December? Won't something very similar to what you want come in in the next month or two?
David
LamaZ, why are you waiting 'til December? Won't something very similar to what you want come in in the next month or two?
David
Either way, I have no choice. Unless the EXACT car that I want is found at some other dealer close enough and willing to give me the same or better price on my new Z. I seriously doubt that I'll get a better deal. I have access to VPP and this deal is even cheaper.
PS: We have gone WAY off of topic for this thread, maybe we should continue this in one of the thousands of threads about "What's your best price"
-LamaZ
08-18-2005, 01:11 PM
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Chad, yes and no. I think the dealer will take the most money you're willing to part with. That said, I think you can still get close to invoice (Nissan of San Bernardino is offering $300 over now at year-end, but they only have 5 left).
LamaZ, you're right about being off-topic, but no one's complaining, and this thread is available, so... I'm willing to pay $500 more (maybe even $1000) to save 3 months of waiting. But then those estimates are usually conservative, so you're probably looking at November. Anyway, maybe THAT dealer will have the same one and give it to you for a couple hundred more?
David
LamaZ, you're right about being off-topic, but no one's complaining, and this thread is available, so... I'm willing to pay $500 more (maybe even $1000) to save 3 months of waiting. But then those estimates are usually conservative, so you're probably looking at November. Anyway, maybe THAT dealer will have the same one and give it to you for a couple hundred more?
David
08-27-2005, 07:44 AM
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Hey I'm getting an used Z for $19k with 20k miles, enthusiast trim and 6 speed. The owner had tire feathering problem too but the dealer fixed it and put on new tires haven't got the problem recurring after 5k miles. Should I jump on it?
08-27-2005, 06:19 PM
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