Questioning the Z
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Originally Posted by sq40
No, He is right, The Evo is 15K Lancer Econo Box with Suped Up Engine/Drivetrain and Suspension. It really does lood and feel like someone bought the lancer and added a bunch of high end crap to it engine wise.
The Z is 2 Times the "Car" the EVO is, even if the the EVO is MUCH faster.
Dont get me wrong, I like the EVO a bunch, but as cars go, its very un-refined for anything but Speed/Track.
The Z is 2 Times the "Car" the EVO is, even if the the EVO is MUCH faster.
Dont get me wrong, I like the EVO a bunch, but as cars go, its very un-refined for anything but Speed/Track.
You ever even ridden in one? It is a completely different beast compared to a normal $15k lancer. It feels nothing like them.
How is the Z "2 times the car".
The evo is not only faster, but has a better suspension, steering, and braking. It is a better driver's car stock to stock. And is much more versatile w/ AWD, 4 doors, and an actual trunk; yet you highlight the only fault it has for daily driving: the suspension is stiff.
The Z platform wasn't even specifically designed for the Z, yet you ding the EVO for that same fault?
Why is there a monthly EVO vs 350Z thread on here?
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Originally Posted by RadioManJ350Z33
The EVO's pedigree is a $15K lancer. and a few EVOs behind it that just SCREAM UGLY!
The Z's pedigree is the 240Z, 260Z, 280Z, 300ZX, 300ZXTT, 350Z, all with one thing in mind... two seat stylish fun with ample power.
The Z's pedigree is the 240Z, 260Z, 280Z, 300ZX, 300ZXTT, 350Z, all with one thing in mind... two seat stylish fun with ample power.
Not judging it on it's heritage, though the EVO has a pretty good one. Not that it matters at all in reality.
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Originally Posted by Hypnoz
I prefer comparing cars in reality: i.e. what is the car like?
Not judging it on it's heritage, though the EVO has a pretty good one. Not that it matters at all in reality.
Not judging it on it's heritage, though the EVO has a pretty good one. Not that it matters at all in reality.
Originally Posted by Hypnoz
The engined is not "suped up". It is a completely different engine. Completely different engine/suspension/brakes/tires/rims/transmission/drivetrain/steering/body panels/upgraded chassis.
You ever even ridden in one? It is a completely different beast compared to a normal $15k lancer. It feels nothing like them.
How is the Z "2 times the car".
The evo is not only faster, but has a better suspension, steering, and braking. It is a better driver's car stock to stock. And is much more versatile w/ AWD, 4 doors, and an actual trunk; yet you highlight the only fault it has for daily driving: the suspension is stiff.
The Z platform wasn't even specifically designed for the Z, yet you ding the EVO for that same fault?
Why is there a monthly EVO vs 350Z thread on here?
You ever even ridden in one? It is a completely different beast compared to a normal $15k lancer. It feels nothing like them.
How is the Z "2 times the car".
The evo is not only faster, but has a better suspension, steering, and braking. It is a better driver's car stock to stock. And is much more versatile w/ AWD, 4 doors, and an actual trunk; yet you highlight the only fault it has for daily driving: the suspension is stiff.
The Z platform wasn't even specifically designed for the Z, yet you ding the EVO for that same fault?
Why is there a monthly EVO vs 350Z thread on here?
It would be no different than Putting 300hp, AWD and a Suspension Upgrade ona Hyundai Elantra.
The Z on the other hand is still rock solid, built better and everything was designed to be application specific. Does it share bits with everthing from the Titan to the Maxima, Sure, what company doesnt platform share, Is it a 300HP Version of the Versa? No, It is not.
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One can not compare an apple to a carrot, both are foods, both taste completely different, yet are satisfying, they just don't compare, not even in the food category.
You just are wasting time comparing a Z to an EVO. It's nonsense.
You just are wasting time comparing a Z to an EVO. It's nonsense.
Last edited by RadioManJ350Z33; Sep 4, 2006 at 08:57 PM.
Originally Posted by Hypnoz
I prefer comparing cars in reality: i.e. what is the car like?
Not judging it on it's heritage, though the EVO has a pretty good one. Not that it matters at all in reality.
Not judging it on it's heritage, though the EVO has a pretty good one. Not that it matters at all in reality.
Originally Posted by RadioManJ350Z33
One can not compare an apple to an carrot, both are foods, both taste completely different, yet are satisfying, they just don't compare, not even in the food category.
You just are wasting time comparing a Z to an EVO. It's nonsense.
You just are wasting time comparing a Z to an EVO. It's nonsense.
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Originally Posted by sq40
I have driven the EVO and run it pretty hard. After 20K the Evo starts to fall apart. The chassis just wasn't designed to handle everything that the Engine Puts out for extended milage. Yes it has a better motor, AWD and Suspension but 75% of the rest of it is Plain Jane Lancer, a Cheap Econobox.
It would be no different than Putting 300hp, AWD and a Suspension Upgrade ona Hyundai Elantra.
The Z on the other hand is still rock solid, built better and everything was designed to be application specific. Does it share bits with everthing from the Titan to the Maxima, Sure, what company doesnt platform share, Is it a 300HP Version of the Versa? No, It is not.
It would be no different than Putting 300hp, AWD and a Suspension Upgrade ona Hyundai Elantra.
The Z on the other hand is still rock solid, built better and everything was designed to be application specific. Does it share bits with everthing from the Titan to the Maxima, Sure, what company doesnt platform share, Is it a 300HP Version of the Versa? No, It is not.
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Originally Posted by sq40
The EVO does have one heck of a Rally Car Heritage. I'll give you that.
To Sq40---- >Perfect compliment on the EVO!
Last edited by RadioManJ350Z33; Sep 4, 2006 at 09:02 PM.
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Originally Posted by sq40
I have driven the EVO and run it pretty hard. After 20K the Evo starts to fall apart. The chassis just wasn't designed to handle everything that the Engine Puts out for extended milage. Yes it has a better motor, AWD and Suspension but 75% of the rest of it is Plain Jane Lancer, a Cheap Econobox.
It would be no different than Putting 300hp, AWD and a Suspension Upgrade ona Hyundai Elantra.
The Z on the other hand is still rock solid, built better and everything was designed to be application specific. Does it share bits with everthing from the Titan to the Maxima, Sure, what company doesnt platform share, Is it a 300HP Version of the Versa? No, It is not.
It would be no different than Putting 300hp, AWD and a Suspension Upgrade ona Hyundai Elantra.
The Z on the other hand is still rock solid, built better and everything was designed to be application specific. Does it share bits with everthing from the Titan to the Maxima, Sure, what company doesnt platform share, Is it a 300HP Version of the Versa? No, It is not.
Originally Posted by Hypnoz
I really won't even begin to pick apart your ignorance, but you really should stop posting about EVO's. It is more than obvious that you know nothing about them.
Hell, The New EVO and Lancer are being built of the Freaking Dodge Caliber / Jeep Compass Platform!
From Mitsubishi's Website;
EVO compared to Lancer
EVO compared to Lancer
PRICE Base Price MSRP¹ $28,679 $14,599 
Destination/Handling Charges² $625 $605 hideLayer('loading'); showLayer('content');WARRANTY Basic (Months) 60 60 Basic (Miles) 60000 60000 Powertrain (Months) 120 120 Powertrain (Miles) 100000 100000 Anti-Corrosion (Months) 84 84 Anti-Corrosion (Miles) 100000 100000 INTERIOR Power Adjustable Driver Seat Not Available Not Available Power Adjustable Passenger Seat Not Available Not Available Leather Seating Surfaces Not Available Not Available Leather Wrapped Steering Wheel Standard Not Available Tilt Steering Column Standard Standard Cruise Control Not Available Optional Air Conditioning Standard Standard Cassette Not Available Not Available CD Player Optional Standard Illuminated Vanity Mirror Not Available Not Available Power Windows Not Available Standard Power Door Locks Not Available Standard Remote Trunk Release Standard Standard Remote Fuel Door Release Standard Standard Child Protection Rear Door Locks Standard Standard Remote Keyless Entry System Not Available Optional HomeLink® Universal Transceiver Not Available Not Available Driver Air Bag Standard Standard Passenger Air Bag Standard Standard EXTERIOR Power Sunroof Not Available Not Available Interval Wipers Standard Standard Power Exterior Side Mirrors Standard Standard Alloy Wheels Standard Optional Anti-Theft Security System Standard Not Available Fog Lights Not Available Not Available MECHANICAL Driveline All Wheel Drive Front Wheel Drive Standard Transmission 5 Speed Manual 5 Speed Manual Automatic Transmission Not Available Optional ($900) Stabilizer Bar Standard Standard Brakes (Front) Disc Disc Brakes (Rear) Disc Drum Anti-Lock Braking System Not Available Optional ENGINE Engine Type 2.0L I4 2.0L I4 Displacement (cc) 1997 1999 Displacement (ci) 122 122 Horsepower @ RPM 286@6500 120@5500 Torque @ RPM 289@3500 130@4250 DIMENSIONS, WEIGHTS, CAPACITIES Wheelbase (inches) 103.3 102.4 Length (inches) 178.5 180.5 Width (inches) 69.7 66.8 Height (inches) 57.1 54.9 Track Width Front (inches) 59.6 57.9 Track Width Rear (inches) 59.6 57.9 Headroom Front (inches) 39.9 38.8 Headroom Rear (inches) 36.7 36.7 Legroom Front (inches) 43.0 43.2 Legroom Rear (inches) 36.6 36.6 Standard Seating 5 5 Mfr Passenger Volume (cubic feet) 95.1 93.9 Mfr Cargo Volume (cubic feet) 10.2 11.3 Curb Weight (Manual) 3219 2745 Curb Weight (Automatic) Not Applicable 2789 Fuel Capacity (gallons) 14.0 13.2 EPA MILEAGE ESTIMATE Fuel Economy City (mpg) 19 27 Fuel Economy Highway (mpg) 25 34
Destination/Handling Charges² $625 $605 hideLayer('loading'); showLayer('content');WARRANTY Basic (Months) 60 60 Basic (Miles) 60000 60000 Powertrain (Months) 120 120 Powertrain (Miles) 100000 100000 Anti-Corrosion (Months) 84 84 Anti-Corrosion (Miles) 100000 100000 INTERIOR Power Adjustable Driver Seat Not Available Not Available Power Adjustable Passenger Seat Not Available Not Available Leather Seating Surfaces Not Available Not Available Leather Wrapped Steering Wheel Standard Not Available Tilt Steering Column Standard Standard Cruise Control Not Available Optional Air Conditioning Standard Standard Cassette Not Available Not Available CD Player Optional Standard Illuminated Vanity Mirror Not Available Not Available Power Windows Not Available Standard Power Door Locks Not Available Standard Remote Trunk Release Standard Standard Remote Fuel Door Release Standard Standard Child Protection Rear Door Locks Standard Standard Remote Keyless Entry System Not Available Optional HomeLink® Universal Transceiver Not Available Not Available Driver Air Bag Standard Standard Passenger Air Bag Standard Standard EXTERIOR Power Sunroof Not Available Not Available Interval Wipers Standard Standard Power Exterior Side Mirrors Standard Standard Alloy Wheels Standard Optional Anti-Theft Security System Standard Not Available Fog Lights Not Available Not Available MECHANICAL Driveline All Wheel Drive Front Wheel Drive Standard Transmission 5 Speed Manual 5 Speed Manual Automatic Transmission Not Available Optional ($900) Stabilizer Bar Standard Standard Brakes (Front) Disc Disc Brakes (Rear) Disc Drum Anti-Lock Braking System Not Available Optional ENGINE Engine Type 2.0L I4 2.0L I4 Displacement (cc) 1997 1999 Displacement (ci) 122 122 Horsepower @ RPM 286@6500 120@5500 Torque @ RPM 289@3500 130@4250 DIMENSIONS, WEIGHTS, CAPACITIES Wheelbase (inches) 103.3 102.4 Length (inches) 178.5 180.5 Width (inches) 69.7 66.8 Height (inches) 57.1 54.9 Track Width Front (inches) 59.6 57.9 Track Width Rear (inches) 59.6 57.9 Headroom Front (inches) 39.9 38.8 Headroom Rear (inches) 36.7 36.7 Legroom Front (inches) 43.0 43.2 Legroom Rear (inches) 36.6 36.6 Standard Seating 5 5 Mfr Passenger Volume (cubic feet) 95.1 93.9 Mfr Cargo Volume (cubic feet) 10.2 11.3 Curb Weight (Manual) 3219 2745 Curb Weight (Automatic) Not Applicable 2789 Fuel Capacity (gallons) 14.0 13.2 EPA MILEAGE ESTIMATE Fuel Economy City (mpg) 19 27 Fuel Economy Highway (mpg) 25 34
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Originally Posted by sq40
EVO = Econbox with Rocket Motor. Thats It. End of Debate.
Hell, The New EVO and Lancer are being built of the Freaking Dodge Caliber / Jeep Compass Platform!
Hell, The New EVO and Lancer are being built of the Freaking Dodge Caliber / Jeep Compass Platform!
Originally Posted by Hypnoz
From the some person who can't even respect the Z06, your opinion means nothing. No point in debating ignorance.
I also never said I didn't like the EVO for what it is, I just know what it is, so STFU.
Look back through this thead, Everyone that has any opion other than "EVO RULZ!" you reply back with the same ol "Your Ignorant and know nothing" post.
Get real and go back to the EVO Forums fanboy.
You want to debate, Then Debate. If you are just going to come back with the same ol crap, go home.
Last edited by sq40; Sep 6, 2006 at 04:02 AM.
Originally Posted by daveZ insanity
Have you looked at the outside?
You know, At a different point in my life I probably would have bought one. Now I care too much about ride/luxury/quality. Speed isnt everything to me now.
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Originally Posted by sq40
No, He is right, The Evo is 15K Lancer Econo Box with Suped Up Engine/Drivetrain and Suspension. It really does lood and feel like someone bought the lancer and added a bunch of high end crap to it engine wise.
The Z is 2 Times the "Car" the EVO is, even if the the EVO is MUCH faster.
Dont get me wrong, I like the EVO a bunch, but as cars go, its very un-refined for anything but Speed/Track.
The Z is 2 Times the "Car" the EVO is, even if the the EVO is MUCH faster.
Dont get me wrong, I like the EVO a bunch, but as cars go, its very un-refined for anything but Speed/Track.
Last edited by nudge_120; Sep 13, 2006 at 05:00 PM.
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