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Old Dec 10, 2006 | 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Reality350
Is an Auto trans really lighter? I would think it makes the car heavier (someone chime in here)
Here you go - Weights for the 2006 Z's (taken from Nissan's website):

Enthusiast: MT 3346lbs, AT 3344 lbs
Touring: MT 3400 lbs, AT 3380 lbs
Grand Touring: MT 3404 lbs, AT 3391 lbs

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Old Dec 10, 2006 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by s5pitfire
Auto trans are always heavier than m/t
Incorrect, see my post above
Old Dec 10, 2006 | 12:09 PM
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WOW.....i figured joining a forum of such high end cars such as the 350 and G35 i would be entertained with the knowlegde of REAL car enthusiasts who know their sh*t. WAS I EVER WRONG. you cannot honestly sit here and tell this poor guy that the stick will always beat the auto. Thats just plain ignorance. Lets put it this way. If you take two pro drivers, one in an auto Z and the other in a manual Z and raced them heads up......chances are the stick will win. The stick only has the POTENTIAL to be faster. its not an absolute. Most of us Z owners arent pro drivers. Ive driven both a stick and an auto Z. and there was no substantial diff in speed from either. oh and if your planning on upgrading the motor for more power....get the auto, cuz the stick will crumble into a million tiny pieces in no time (POS). just go test drive both and see what feels best for YOU. ok, im done ranting now. off i go.
Old Dec 10, 2006 | 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Reality350
You need to come back into the real world.. seriously.
Is an Auto trans really lighter? I would think it makes the car heavier (someone chime in here)

And you just called out alot of ppl on here who probably know how to drive alot better then you or I... so...

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I realize there are a few very good drivers on this forum and have alot of respect for them. I also know that most drivers (for all cars) don't drive anywhere near the level they think they do. If this was untrue, I would not have responded to as many traffic accidents or write the cites that I have done in the past.

BTW, you are wrong on the weights issue.
Old Dec 10, 2006 | 12:13 PM
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Get a stick because it's more fun! That's the only reason. Everything else can be disputed. I just bought my Z last week and am just getting used to the stick. It's extremely fun, and that's why I don't regret not getting an auto.
Old Dec 10, 2006 | 12:14 PM
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+1 on the "fun factor" of the stick. cant argue that.
Old Dec 10, 2006 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by 350kid06
WOW.....i figured joining a forum of such high end cars such as the 350 and G35 i would be entertained with the knowlegde of REAL car enthusiasts who know their sh*t. WAS I EVER WRONG. you cannot honestly sit here and tell this poor guy that the stick will always beat the auto. Thats just plain ignorance. Lets put it this way. If you take two pro drivers, one in an auto Z and the other in a manual Z and raced them heads up......chances are the stick will win. The stick only has the POTENTIAL to be faster. its not an absolute. Most of us Z owners arent pro drivers. Ive driven both a stick and an auto Z. and there was no substantial diff in speed from either. oh and if your planning on upgrading the motor for more power....get the auto, cuz the stick will crumble into a million tiny pieces in no time (POS). just go test drive both and see what feels best for YOU. ok, im done ranting now. off i go.
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Originally Posted by 181 BluZ
https://my350z.com/forum/2003-2009-nissan-350z/197329-the-top-100-common-questions.html post #7...

The difference between manual and auto is one you have to shift and the other you don't? From what I know manual has more hp than auto. manual has 300 hp and auto is 287. And yes, auto in 06 has more TQ than manual.
i thought that the only difference in HP for Z's depended on the rev up engine... which has nothing to do with mt or at.
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Originally Posted by jshin10
i thought that the only difference in HP for Z's depended on the rev up engine... which has nothing to do with mt or at.


yup

and honestly....wuts 13 more horsepower....especially when you get less torque witch is what makes a car fun to drive anyways...not to mention wins races.
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Originally Posted by jshin10
i thought that the only difference in HP for Z's depended on the rev up engine... which has nothing to do with mt or at.
Only M/T's get the revup.
Old Dec 10, 2006 | 12:52 PM
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true in a sense but you worded it wrong.....Rev-ups only get the M/T.
Old Dec 10, 2006 | 12:57 PM
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Can't read this bickering again! If you guys hate the auto so much and diss it, then why did you purchase a vehicle that is EVEN available in automatic? If your hardcore "sports car" enthusiast then why did you not purchase an S2000? It is ONLY available in Manual and it follows the sports car definition 100%
The Z'z only problem is the weight, so therefore it is not 100% sports car compliant.
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Originally Posted by 350kid06
true in a sense but you worded it wrong.....Rev-ups only get the M/T.
Whatever dude. Go back to magazine racing now.
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Originally Posted by NightRida
Can't read this bickering again! If you guys hate the auto so much and diss it, then why did you purchase a vehicle that is EVEN available in automatic? If your hardcore "sports car" enthusiast then why did you not purchase an S2000? It is ONLY available in Manual and it follows the sports car definition 100%
The Z'z only problem is the weight, so therefore it is not 100% sports car compliant.
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But then many of the exotics out there wouldn't be sports cars. Because alot are switching over to manumatics. I wonder if some of these Z owners will register accounts on their boards and try to insult them for buying non-stick shifts?
Old Dec 10, 2006 | 01:18 PM
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No Stick = No Z
Old Dec 10, 2006 | 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by HDPD350Z
Whatever dude. Go back to magazine racing now.
WOW....why so hostile. relax man. the way you worded it sounded like ALL the m/t have the rev-up which isnt the case. just making it clear for the guy who posted the thread. im not hear to start fights. just hear to educate where i can.
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Originally Posted by 350kid06
WOW....why so hostile. relax man. the way you worded it sounded like ALL the m/t have the rev-up which isnt the case. just making it clear for the guy who posted the thread. im not hear to start fights. just hear to educate where i can.
When are you going to answer my question?
Old Dec 10, 2006 | 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Rebellious350z
the z has the same horsepower in every gear,will it be any difference manual or auto.
Hi Rebellious,

Thanks for posting. You are asking a good question. I’ll bet you never expected the emotional responses you are seeing now. A crowd gathered… somebody thru a punch… and then all H*** broke loose. …I got out of the way too.

Back to your question: I have a MT (which I personally prefer), but I have driven the AT and will say I was impressed. Of course all of the Z’s great suspension and handling is the same in both versions. The difference in performance (acceleration, shift points, etc.) depends upon some subtle factors and the driver (and certainly not a small weight difference). I appreciate your point about stop-and-go driving in traffic. Constantly depressing a clutch to creep a few feet is a pain!

HDPD350 makes a good point in this thread. The formula racers have paddles (MT but no clutch pedal). Same goes for the exotics (e.g., Ferrari, some Porsche and Audi models, etc.). First gear and reverse are like AT, and the driver engages the upward gears with a paddle. If you are going a 100 mph and click the downshift paddle 4 or 5 times, the transmission matches the engine speed to the ground speed perfectly and automatically performs the optimum shift points. The same is true when up-shifting. The idea is to minimize driver mistakes and get in coordination between car speed and engine speed while depressing and releasing a clutch pedal. It is a manual transmission with an automatic clutch (often two clutches to quickly handle transition).

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I find this thread kinda funny. Drive whatever you want. Want an auto? Go buy one. Want a manual? Go buy one. Who gives a crap what other people think.
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Originally Posted by HDPD350Z
Considering most M/T Z drivers can't shift worth a crap, I would debate your claim. You'll never hear an A/T driver whine that the reason a race was lost because a shift was missed.

And shall we discuss the pitiful durability of the Z M/T transmission? Or is the transmission actually good, but due to the Z driver horrendous shifting habits tear it up?

Here's a thought, be satisfied with the ***** size God gave ya and not try to compensate with a m/t. Drive what ya like and realize what someone else chooses is none of your concern. For those that say a/t drivers shouldn't have a Z, I ask you this... I brought my a/t brand new, free and clear. How many of you have no payments? Using the logic some of you display, those who make car payments on their Z should have bought a used metro instead. I think I can drive what I wish.

Good day now...

Well, to counter your argument, most men that I know who are secure in their ***** size don't need to flaunt their financial security. But that's neither here nor there.

I own a 6MT G35. I've put this trans through a LOT of abuse. Drag racing, road racing, a small amount of hooliganism every so often. I have no idea where you get off claiming that the 6MT trans is weak?

I sigh every time I see an auto Z. I was originally in the market, and actually almost pulled the trigger on an 04 350Z Track instead; however I realized it'd be much more practical to have a back seat. The G35 is a compromise and generally the grand tourer that the Z isn't. Progressive springs, power seats, sunroof, dual zone.........much more suited for driving daily. I bought stick because I love driving stick. I never complain about driving in NYC, New Brunswick, Turnpike, or any other stop and go traffic. I deal with my choice because it makes me happy in the end.

I regard auto Z's as a bad decision.

And you are all magazine racing.....300hp vs 287hp? 270lbs/ft vs 260lbs/ft?
You really want to see what is faster? Do a same day dyno. Stock 5AT and stock 6MT. I guarantee the 6MT will dyno higher. You always have to factor in torque converter slop, even with lockup units.

Get a 6MT. Or get a 5AT G35.



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Originally Posted by HDPD350Z
But then many of the exotics out there wouldn't be sports cars. Because alot are switching over to manumatics. I wonder if some of these Z owners will register accounts on their boards and try to insult them for buying non-stick shifts?
A manumatic is NOT the same as a F1/SMG style gearbox. A manumatic is an automatic transmission with a torque converter where you shift by way of paddles, buttons, or slapping the shifter in some direction. These are found on about 95% of Mercedes, BMW's with Steptronic........hell, most automatic transmissions have this function these days. This is what the 350z has.

The supercars you're referring to, i.e. Ferrari 430/599/612/Enzo, M3CSL/5/6, Aston Martin Vanquish S, DSG equipped Audis....... They have manual transmission with a computer controlled clutch. They are offer the benefits of a manual transmission without having to master a clutch. Oh, and try parallel parking an M3 SMG. Or a 360 Modena F1. It gets...... interesting.

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