Mid117

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I want to run a shelby gt from a roll.

350Zenophile

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OK, that's freakin' bizarre. I just did a quick search and apparently, there is a different FD ratio for 5th and 6th. Thus the two ratios listed under axle ratio. Learn something new everyday!

imseksy

i just read the damn article.... they gave 0 points to Z twice for backseat comfort and something else related to the backseat... well theres no doubt that Z would get 0 points since it HAS NO DAMN BACKSEAT!!! i dont know... when i read this article it made me wonder, if this is a sports car comparison... or a sports car practicality comparison. hell if its a sports car practicality comparison i vote for the accord.

SnakeBitten

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MIIIIID whats good bro....Me too...but I think you have a better chance at beating one than me

Mid117

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Sup Pete? Haven't seen you in a while, what's good?

Those 20" anchors don't help your top end

bodayguy

FYI, the article is online now. Judge for yourself.
http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...di-tt-20t.html

irish27

I read this article and I just had to laugh. They actually fault Nissan for placing their money in performance instead of making the interior pretty. Good god, they just don't get it at all. Those of us that chose the Z over a G35 wanted the performance first.

As noted by OP the Z was by far the most well rounded, finished, fast performer and they placed it third behind a couple of tyrds. I hate the TT and even Mazda recognized the RX-8 is limited (RX-7 coming soon to compete for real)


BOOOH C and D!!!

itburns

I'd rather be seen driving a unicycle than an RX-8; it's less embarrassing and I don't need a backseat.

Hotsauce

Man you Z kids crack me up! Stop bashing cars and go out and drive!

elbee

Came in behind a VW FWD four banger! Japanese Camaro! LOL. C/Ds ***** are hanging by a thread.

mikecamp

Nah, let him bash. He may have more torque on his unicycle than my 8, but I'll beat him in the twisties with all four seats occupied. Plus I've got like a stereo and stuff.

hiz-n-herz

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YAWN!!!!....

Why does anyone let what C&D on-line editors says bother them?

They are the most careless, uninformed bunch of idiots of the car periodical world.

Aren't these the same losers that tested the quickest cars of 2007? And tried to pass of an 06 350z as an 07? Where's the retraction for that f-up?

And this article lists the 30-50 and 50-70 acceleration tests in top gear for these cars. Wow, the Audi won both of those. Puh leaze! You know the AT down-shifted for those times so that's not even an apples-to-apples comparison with the MT's in the group. HAHA! Losers! Throw out those numbers...

Now, you wanna look at a good power/aerodynamics indicator? Check out the 50-70 in top gear (which I think should be run in the gear closest to the 1:1 gear ration to be an apples-to-apples comparison, but whatever) The z pwns here.

Look at the MPG of the wankel-mobile. Damn near equal to the gas-guzzling v-8 mustang, with half of the torque. That's just embarrasing for the rx8. I am not a rotary-hater, my brother and I used to race them. They can be built-up for good power, even n/a, but you'll be rebuilding them every six months because the water-jacket seals don't hold up. Give up the rx-8, Mazda... sucks to have the mazdaspeed 3 hand it to your RX series car

And why did they test a base 07? Should have been at least an enthusiast. Wouldn't the LSD help the launch and 0-60 time?

And they bash the z... "but it’s obvious that this car was built on a tight budget, as evidenced by headrest stakes that bulge into your back when you lean your head rearward." I agree that's irritating on my 07, but there's another name for it.... ACTIVE HEAD RESTRAINTS. The same leverage that presses the headrest rails into your back when you bump your head on the headrest is used in a rear-end collision where your body presses back into the seat and moves the headrest closer to your head to absorb impact with a reduced chance of whiplash. I actually prefer my 06 headrests, but I guess these are more safe.

These editors lost all credibility with me a long time ago... I'll hand it to them though... at least they included the track times in their sports-car comparo.

EDIT: LOL, just read snakebitten's post: https://my350z.com/forum/showpost.ph...&postcount=133 I guess some of us are on the same page...

S8ER95Z

Twisties argument = unproven/lame.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....ber=1&preview=

Thought this might help with that a bit... (since the fbody is such a ****ty handling car and all)...

Food for thought...at willow springs
LS1 Camaro - Lap time 2 minutes, 16.46 sec
Porsche Boxster - Lapt time 2 minutes, 17.46 sec
Honda S2000- Lap time 2 minutes, 17.66 sec

Another words...twisties argument is not always your best friend.

scg87

Car and Driver sux. Period. They used to be okay, now they just blow donkey *****. The winner is a $30k+ 4-door that would barely outrun my GTP Grand Prix. Last time I checked, REAL sports cars don't have 4 doors. Second is a FWD luxo/wannabe-sports car that cost almost $40K. Again true sports cars are NOT FWD. Then the Shelby....... don't even get me started on that thing. F#ck Car and Driver, they should stick to comparing economy cars and each others' ***** size.

Bumpinjeep

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The TT was an auto, thus it downshifts when you punch it, thats why the numbers are much quicker than the other fully manuel cars.

mikecamp

I apologize Mr. S8ER95Z, my silly and totally subjective retort was against unicycles, not against your vehicle. I'll aim lower next time.

I'm sure you'll beat me on the air conditioning as well, mine blows...literally.

Again, we care about this comparison why?

Hotsauce

Here we go again with the Rx-8 is not a REAL sports car since it has 4-doors. You know while driving the 8 you don't notice that it has 4 doors or back seats for that matter. In fact as you see one drive down the road you can't tell that it has 4 doors. What you do notice is the precise steering and shifting, balanced movement in turns, light weight, and smooth long power band of the rotary engine. These are some common traits that define a sports car.

Sure the car is short on torque, but it's not bad for a 1.3 liter NA engine. If you want torque buy a Mustang, you can mod them cheaply and get monster torque.

flintgauge

What's up with all the RX-8 trollers? GO back and jack your own threads. Don't be mad at us for critiquing C+D at best, "skewed" way of thinking, with obvious biased scoring. How do you think the Mustang guys feel about this one. Ran the Same numbers as us Z guys but it got last! It got beat by Two Japanese cars and a FWD German Car... you know they are pissed.
RX-8 guys, you have to admit, even if you earn bonus point for you "four doors" and backseat practicality, what's so practical about 18mpg with on 159lb/ft of torque? Z can easily get 268 lb/ft with 20mpg and I've seen and gotten even better myself. If it is so great in the twisties how come it never passed anyone on the track? A scion tC puts out 162 lb/ft of torque and is rated at 22mpg with the MT... Come RX-8, some of yall are getting rediculous.

flintgauge

I read someone bragging about taking the RX-8 in the twisties with 4 people in the car, and something about atleast they have a radio??? Come on! Good luck hauling 4 people around with all the torque, Second, you act like the Z is some bare bones Ariel Atom. We have some niceties too, with more of a focus on performance.
Obviously Nissan and Mazda had different priorities when designing these cars. I think a more fair comparison would be a well equipped RX-8 vs a G35 or G37 coupe. Atleast then the VQ has a backseat behind it and some more amenities for you more practical daily drivers.
As for the Z owners, we are happing with our factory built track bread sport car, that has one goal in mind, performance. Not backseats and storage room, soft interiors, smooth rides or quiet cabins. If you are concerned about any of these, don't buy the Z, you will be dissapointed.

mikecamp

Um, no you did not read someone taking a Z in the twisties with two in the back. Go back about 20-30 posts and read all of them this time. Both myself and Hotsauce like the Z and many other sports cars and have mentioned so. We are just car enthusiasts like yourself who don't feel tied to one car site. If I aim any lower on the "I can beat someone who'd rather ride a unicycle thing," I'm going start hitting ground, sheesh.