Any 2006 owners drive a 07 HR?
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Originally Posted by TheJerk
Solo Got me banned before because of this foolishness, when he claimed there was not top end drop by using the MREV manifold, among the other ******** he says. I guess because he's a paying memeber, and owns a nismo Z (ZOMG!) they won't let him go anytime soon.
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Originally Posted by Arnold K.
This mentality is annoying. Your car is half-a-second faster. It isn't Caesar's chariot. Some of the HR owners here are way too high on their pedestal.
I drove the HR, and I love the motor. It's incredible, superbly refined, and yes there is a power difference. But the way some people on this forum make it seem is as if the new engine is touched by the hand of God.
Great engine? Yup. The solution to world peace? No.
I drove the HR, and I love the motor. It's incredible, superbly refined, and yes there is a power difference. But the way some people on this forum make it seem is as if the new engine is touched by the hand of God.
Great engine? Yup. The solution to world peace? No.
I agree. Who gives a **** enuff that we need a topic on this once a week?
How many times will an HR equipped car line up against a DE equipped car?
WHO CARES!
Also everyone knows the 2JZ is the motor that was touched by God himself. Nissan would never be able to top that!
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Originally Posted by SOLO-350Z
Obviously you can't read. Again for the 3rd time, you said the 03-06 was a 13 sec car. It is not a 13 sec car normally. It is a 14 sec car most of the time with a good driver IT CAN hit high 13s. The HR is a 13 sec car all the time and can hit 12s with a damn good driver.
Again FACTS. Drag times page, shows the HR beating every single time the DE has produced. Your the IDIOT that won't read and see the facts.
Unlike me to know the HR is a low 13 sec car? When I have been saying that all alone? omg. I suggest you get MORE informed because you proved to me I am obviously more informed than you.
Again FACTS. Drag times page, shows the HR beating every single time the DE has produced. Your the IDIOT that won't read and see the facts.
Unlike me to know the HR is a low 13 sec car? When I have been saying that all alone? omg. I suggest you get MORE informed because you proved to me I am obviously more informed than you.
12s?
13 second car all the time?
DE will run low-14s with a bad driver and launch. High 13s with a decent one. The same way the HR has been ran with 14 sec runs, because of bad drivers and launches, and low-mid 13s with a good driver and launch. Your HR is not a consistent 13 second car. To use your logic, nearly every magazine has ran a 14-sec 1/4 with an HR. Looks like it's not "13s all the time."
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Sorry but I like facts, and they are all here below. I am done here till you can prove otherwise.
FACTS:
STOCK down to the tire:
1. Peak350 ------------------------ 07 Enth 6spd 13.239@105.67mph 1.923 60ft
2. Veetec --------------------------07 Base 6spd 13.285@107.19mph 1.984 60ft
3. Warmmilk ------------------------07 Enth 6spd 13.412@104.04mph 2.006 60ft
4. Pat Bateman ---------------------07 Base 6spd 13.465@106.86mph 2.227 60ft
5. Veetec --------------------------04 Base 6spd 13.640@102.42mph 1.983 60ft
6. jdifolco ------------------------07 Tour 6spd 13.644@104.68mph 2.201 60ft
7. DomZ --------------------------- 03 Tour Auto 13.667@101.57mph 1.996 60ft
8. BriGuyMax -----------------------03 Tour 6spd 13.688@102.77mph 2.091 60ft
9. Specv_USMC ----------------------07 Base 6spd 13.711@102.88mph 2.163 60ft
10. 1.8T ---------------------------03 Base 6spd 13.736@102.99mph 2.135 60ft
11. VitViper -----------------------07 Tour 6spd 13.763@100.96mph 2.150 60ft
12. Alberto ------------------------03 Trac 6spd 13.779@101.40mph 2.052 60ft
13. AJcool2 ------------------------04 Tour Auto 13.852@100.25mph 2.127 60ft
14. Gripfordough -------------------03 Trac 6spd 13.861@ 99.36mph 2.105 60ft
15. Accordaleer --------------------07 Tour Auto 13.872@101.xxmph x.xxx 60ft
16. Davidv -------------------------04 Enth 6spd 13.897@101.07mph 2.026 60ft
17. 350zshopper---------------------07 Tour 6spd 13.936@100.84mph 2.193 60ft
18. dave079-------------------------03 Base 6spd 13.945@101.29mph 2.130 60ft
19. 350JAR -------------------------04 Base 6spd 13.947@102.65mph 2.259 60ft
20. Integrity ----------------------03 Tour 6spd 13.951@101.10mph 2.140 60ft
21. Faithmassive -------------------07 Base 6spd 14.012@100.71mph 2.228 60ft
22. cp79shark ----------------------07 Nsmo 6spd 14.017@_97.83mph 2.152 60ft
23. carlos067 ----------------------06 Enth 6spd 14.029@101.78mph 2.118 60ft
24. Mid117 -------------------------06 Base 6spd 14.041@100.57mph 2.217 60ft
25. gsingh350Z ---------------------07 Enth 6spd 14.050@100.37mph 2.394 60ft
26. Bigo109 ------------------------03 Enth Auto 14.145@_96.97mph_2.077 60ft
27. Jonny Boy ----------------------06 _GT_ 6spd 14.297@_99.50mph_2.285 60ft
28. TyWinter -----------------------03 Tour 6spd 14.375@_98.48mph_2.215 60ft
29. TheKinn ------------------------06 Enth 6spd 14.393@_99.49mph 2.357 60ft
Modded slightly with the fast 12.9 one on only drag radials.
Not Stock/Bolt-ons 07+ VQ35HR
1. Gooey -------------------------- 07 Enth 6spd 12.947@107.11mph 1.796 60ft Verified DR's
2. Seb-Specialty-Z----------------- 07 Enth Auto 13.556@104.17mph 2.045 60ft Verified DR's
3. jdifolco ------------------------07 Tour 6spd 13.605@104.52mph 2.080 60ft Verified Street
4. rkemp1 --------------------------07 Base 6spd 13.735@104.07mph 2.107 60ft Verified Street
5. Skorch --------------------------07 Enth 6spd 13.792@102.79mph 2.098 60ft Verified Street
6. Faithmassive-------------------- 07 Base 6spd 13.979@102.66mph 2.321 60ft Verified Street
Modded 03-06 DE cars...Took a lot of mods for them to even get into the 12s, usually engine build.
1. AudibleMayhem ---Built Block -03 Tour 6spd 12.338@110.18mph 1.700 60ft Slicks
2. Sfarrah ----------------------03 Enth 6spd 12.876@107.81mph 1.750 60ft DR's
3. Veetec -----------------------04 Base 6spd 13.010@105.69mph 1.804 60ft DR's
4. Aceman------------------------03 Base 6spd 13.064@105.50mph 1.809 60ft Et Str
5. Alberto ----------------------03 Trac 6spd 13.131@107.15mph 1.895 60ft Slicks
6. DayBlueZ ---------------------04 Tour Auto 13.170@103.19mph 1.922 60ft Street
7. 3hree5ive0ero ----------------03 Tour 6spd 13.212@104.75mph 1.896 60ft Slicks
8. Zridder19 --------------------03 Tour 6spd 13.226@104.29mph 1.893 60ft DR's
9. Trey.Hutcheson ----- SEDAN ---05 G35- 6spd 13.264@103.96mph 1.895 60ft DR's
10. Davidv ----------------------04 Enth 6spd 13.331@105.24mph 1.947 60ft Street
11. Mojo Powered ----------------04 Tour 6spd 13.349@103.32mph 1.919 60ft DR's
12. Corsair ---------------------03 Perf 6spd 13.377@103.08mph 1.913 60ft DR's
13. 04treefiddy------------------04 Enth 6spd 13.379@101.95mph 1.901 60ft DR's
14. Integrity -------------------03 Tour 6spd 13.396@103.82mph 1.899 60ft Slicks
15. JG 350z ---------------------05 Enth 6spd 13.454@102.92mph 1.965 60ft Street
16. 350z_Redline ----------------03 Tour 6spd 13.488@103.92mph 1.992 60ft Street
17. DomZ ------------------------03 Tour Auto 13.494@101.89mph 1.956 60ft Street
18. Shifty711 -------------------05 35th 6spd 13.557@103.39mph 2.081 60ft Street
19. Supra Crazy -----------------03 Trac 6spd 13.572@107.10mph 2.175 60ft Street
20. abailey269 --------- SEDAN --04 G35_ 6spd 13.631@101.81mph 1.966 60ft DR's
21. Walkert ---------------------05 Base 6spd 13.640@101.57mph 2.048 60ft Street
22. VicPham ---------------------03 Tour 6spd 13.653@103.15mph 2.195 60ft Street
23. TyWinter---------------------03 Tour 6spd 13.664@102.91mph 1.953 60ft Slicks
24. Gotbooost--------------------03 Trac 6spd 13.669@101.52mph 2.029 60ft Street
25. keznevin --------------------05 Tour 6spd 13.691@_99.73mph 1.987 60ft Street
FACTS:
STOCK down to the tire:
1. Peak350 ------------------------ 07 Enth 6spd 13.239@105.67mph 1.923 60ft
2. Veetec --------------------------07 Base 6spd 13.285@107.19mph 1.984 60ft
3. Warmmilk ------------------------07 Enth 6spd 13.412@104.04mph 2.006 60ft
4. Pat Bateman ---------------------07 Base 6spd 13.465@106.86mph 2.227 60ft
5. Veetec --------------------------04 Base 6spd 13.640@102.42mph 1.983 60ft
6. jdifolco ------------------------07 Tour 6spd 13.644@104.68mph 2.201 60ft
7. DomZ --------------------------- 03 Tour Auto 13.667@101.57mph 1.996 60ft
8. BriGuyMax -----------------------03 Tour 6spd 13.688@102.77mph 2.091 60ft
9. Specv_USMC ----------------------07 Base 6spd 13.711@102.88mph 2.163 60ft
10. 1.8T ---------------------------03 Base 6spd 13.736@102.99mph 2.135 60ft
11. VitViper -----------------------07 Tour 6spd 13.763@100.96mph 2.150 60ft
12. Alberto ------------------------03 Trac 6spd 13.779@101.40mph 2.052 60ft
13. AJcool2 ------------------------04 Tour Auto 13.852@100.25mph 2.127 60ft
14. Gripfordough -------------------03 Trac 6spd 13.861@ 99.36mph 2.105 60ft
15. Accordaleer --------------------07 Tour Auto 13.872@101.xxmph x.xxx 60ft
16. Davidv -------------------------04 Enth 6spd 13.897@101.07mph 2.026 60ft
17. 350zshopper---------------------07 Tour 6spd 13.936@100.84mph 2.193 60ft
18. dave079-------------------------03 Base 6spd 13.945@101.29mph 2.130 60ft
19. 350JAR -------------------------04 Base 6spd 13.947@102.65mph 2.259 60ft
20. Integrity ----------------------03 Tour 6spd 13.951@101.10mph 2.140 60ft
21. Faithmassive -------------------07 Base 6spd 14.012@100.71mph 2.228 60ft
22. cp79shark ----------------------07 Nsmo 6spd 14.017@_97.83mph 2.152 60ft
23. carlos067 ----------------------06 Enth 6spd 14.029@101.78mph 2.118 60ft
24. Mid117 -------------------------06 Base 6spd 14.041@100.57mph 2.217 60ft
25. gsingh350Z ---------------------07 Enth 6spd 14.050@100.37mph 2.394 60ft
26. Bigo109 ------------------------03 Enth Auto 14.145@_96.97mph_2.077 60ft
27. Jonny Boy ----------------------06 _GT_ 6spd 14.297@_99.50mph_2.285 60ft
28. TyWinter -----------------------03 Tour 6spd 14.375@_98.48mph_2.215 60ft
29. TheKinn ------------------------06 Enth 6spd 14.393@_99.49mph 2.357 60ft
Modded slightly with the fast 12.9 one on only drag radials.
Not Stock/Bolt-ons 07+ VQ35HR
1. Gooey -------------------------- 07 Enth 6spd 12.947@107.11mph 1.796 60ft Verified DR's
2. Seb-Specialty-Z----------------- 07 Enth Auto 13.556@104.17mph 2.045 60ft Verified DR's
3. jdifolco ------------------------07 Tour 6spd 13.605@104.52mph 2.080 60ft Verified Street
4. rkemp1 --------------------------07 Base 6spd 13.735@104.07mph 2.107 60ft Verified Street
5. Skorch --------------------------07 Enth 6spd 13.792@102.79mph 2.098 60ft Verified Street
6. Faithmassive-------------------- 07 Base 6spd 13.979@102.66mph 2.321 60ft Verified Street
Modded 03-06 DE cars...Took a lot of mods for them to even get into the 12s, usually engine build.
1. AudibleMayhem ---Built Block -03 Tour 6spd 12.338@110.18mph 1.700 60ft Slicks
2. Sfarrah ----------------------03 Enth 6spd 12.876@107.81mph 1.750 60ft DR's
3. Veetec -----------------------04 Base 6spd 13.010@105.69mph 1.804 60ft DR's
4. Aceman------------------------03 Base 6spd 13.064@105.50mph 1.809 60ft Et Str
5. Alberto ----------------------03 Trac 6spd 13.131@107.15mph 1.895 60ft Slicks
6. DayBlueZ ---------------------04 Tour Auto 13.170@103.19mph 1.922 60ft Street
7. 3hree5ive0ero ----------------03 Tour 6spd 13.212@104.75mph 1.896 60ft Slicks
8. Zridder19 --------------------03 Tour 6spd 13.226@104.29mph 1.893 60ft DR's
9. Trey.Hutcheson ----- SEDAN ---05 G35- 6spd 13.264@103.96mph 1.895 60ft DR's
10. Davidv ----------------------04 Enth 6spd 13.331@105.24mph 1.947 60ft Street
11. Mojo Powered ----------------04 Tour 6spd 13.349@103.32mph 1.919 60ft DR's
12. Corsair ---------------------03 Perf 6spd 13.377@103.08mph 1.913 60ft DR's
13. 04treefiddy------------------04 Enth 6spd 13.379@101.95mph 1.901 60ft DR's
14. Integrity -------------------03 Tour 6spd 13.396@103.82mph 1.899 60ft Slicks
15. JG 350z ---------------------05 Enth 6spd 13.454@102.92mph 1.965 60ft Street
16. 350z_Redline ----------------03 Tour 6spd 13.488@103.92mph 1.992 60ft Street
17. DomZ ------------------------03 Tour Auto 13.494@101.89mph 1.956 60ft Street
18. Shifty711 -------------------05 35th 6spd 13.557@103.39mph 2.081 60ft Street
19. Supra Crazy -----------------03 Trac 6spd 13.572@107.10mph 2.175 60ft Street
20. abailey269 --------- SEDAN --04 G35_ 6spd 13.631@101.81mph 1.966 60ft DR's
21. Walkert ---------------------05 Base 6spd 13.640@101.57mph 2.048 60ft Street
22. VicPham ---------------------03 Tour 6spd 13.653@103.15mph 2.195 60ft Street
23. TyWinter---------------------03 Tour 6spd 13.664@102.91mph 1.953 60ft Slicks
24. Gotbooost--------------------03 Trac 6spd 13.669@101.52mph 2.029 60ft Street
25. keznevin --------------------05 Tour 6spd 13.691@_99.73mph 1.987 60ft Street
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Originally Posted by Arnold K.
12s? 12s?
12s?
13 second car all the time?
DE will run low-14s with a bad driver and launch. High 13s with a decent one. The same way the HR has been ran with 14 sec runs, because of bad drivers and launches, and low-mid 13s with a good driver and launch. Your HR is not a consistent 13 second car. To use your logic, nearly every magazine has ran a 14-sec 1/4 with an HR. Looks like it's not "13s all the time."
12s?
13 second car all the time?
DE will run low-14s with a bad driver and launch. High 13s with a decent one. The same way the HR has been ran with 14 sec runs, because of bad drivers and launches, and low-mid 13s with a good driver and launch. Your HR is not a consistent 13 second car. To use your logic, nearly every magazine has ran a 14-sec 1/4 with an HR. Looks like it's not "13s all the time."
Also i have seen more low 13 runs then 14's in HRs. And yes someone has run 12's with a few boltons and radials with an 07.
Not a big surprise. We all knew this was gonna happen as soon as we saw a 13.2-13.3 posted within weeks of its release
i would say even with a bad driver the avg worst times will likely be in the 13.7 range with the HR. With that being said I have seen wayyyyy tooo many 14-15 sec DE's for comparison.
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PM: Oh, I know. It's just that our resident genius said:
So I only used that brilliant logic against him. And I'm looking at that Top 25 stock, laughing...because it only proves my point. SOLO is a joker. This guy can't be for real.
Most magazines that have tested them were in the 14s. The 07 is the only one that has hit 13s stock most of the time.
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How does that prove your point at all? All the DE cars were high 13s-14s with most in the 14s and HR low 13s and there is a heck of a lot more DE cars that went to the track than HR so far but every HR that has gone except 2, has hit 13s bone stock even with a bad 60 ft.
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Veetec 13.640 on a DE stock <--best time
Peak350s 13.236 on an HR stock <--best time
...let's leave it at that, a .4 difference in the 1/4.
let this thread die. it's going in circles.
Peak350s 13.236 on an HR stock <--best time
...let's leave it at that, a .4 difference in the 1/4.
let this thread die. it's going in circles.
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Originally Posted by SOLO-350Z
How does that prove your point at all? All the DE cars were high 13s-14s with most in the 14s and HR low 13s and there is a heck of a lot more DE cars that went to the track than HR so far but every HR that has gone except 2, has hit 13s bone stock even with a bad 60 ft.
So...not only are you stupid, but you failed math too? God, I hope this forum has an ignore feature.
Edit: There is a God. Never thought I'd had to put this to use.
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Originally Posted by cvt
Veetec 13.640 on a DE stock <--best time
Peak350s 13.236 on an HR stock <--best time
...let's leave it at that, a .4 difference in the 1/4.
let this thread die. it's going in circles.
Peak350s 13.236 on an HR stock <--best time
...let's leave it at that, a .4 difference in the 1/4.
let this thread die. it's going in circles.
Veetec is the best example. he is an exceptional driver and has had both cars and ran them both stock. The comparison is about .4 sec between his DE car and HR car.
Nuff said as above.
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Originally Posted by SOLO-350Z
One typo, out of 20 you had in one post. LOL!!
I think you need to take your own advice and tone it down. You haven't posted anything useful in this thread YET.
You never said the DE was better, but you are also saying the DE is a 13 sec car when in reality most of the time it isn't. The HR is easily over .5 of a sec faster in the 1/4 and over 5mph faster in trap speed which can be several car lengths in a race. The DE and HR peformance differences pretty wide. We are just correcting the people who think a DE with simple bolt ons will be faster than a HR that is all.
I think you need to take your own advice and tone it down. You haven't posted anything useful in this thread YET.
You never said the DE was better, but you are also saying the DE is a 13 sec car when in reality most of the time it isn't. The HR is easily over .5 of a sec faster in the 1/4 and over 5mph faster in trap speed which can be several car lengths in a race. The DE and HR peformance differences pretty wide. We are just correcting the people who think a DE with simple bolt ons will be faster than a HR that is all.
Also what your defending is common knowledge with engine stats. We all know the engine is the better it should be. But at the margin most make it out to be no. Im not knocking a fellow Z. But if you run or look at lap times with the HR its not that far beyond a 06s times. 1/4 wise the HR makes more tq then anyother motor which is of course produces the best times. But i think if your thinking a DE motor cannot do 13.6s or a bolt on DE beat a stock HR your mistaken. I dyno'd 251 in my revup....it doesnt take much for me to reach stock peak hp levels of a HR motor. Tq can only be your argument and when a HR puts it at a lower rpm.
ALso you didnt acknolwdge the PSI argument.
currently NA wise its showing very promising but FI wise..cmon...theres no proof that its better at producing more power then the DE. And in case if you havent notice VQs love boost 100rwhp increases with a stock turbo kit is to me a motor that likes boost this was common knowledge years ago.
I can say the HR looks to me very stout to hold boost but being more effiecient at making power would be ludicrise to say since its in its infant stage.
Everyone with a HR isnt getting into the low 13s just like how every one with a DE isnt getting into the mid 13s..Its a minority still to tell you the truth.
Capable and what people are getting are 2 diff things.
My argument still stands for my OP and to my purpose posting in here.
IF you have low milage on a current Z....there really isnt to me a good reason to trade for a new HR Z unless its a Nismo Z because suspension wise its amazing and its a collectable. Wait for the 3.7.
and HR being more reliable...um there are tsbs already out for it. And it just came out really..lets not get ahead of ourselves the same people make the motor. its to early to think like that.
Just hopefully you wont have the problems of the psat but theres always room for more..i dont remember 06s having clutch engament issues nor pinging noises from manifold....current tsbs..
granted i had oil comp with my first vq35der but its a diff motor built by the same people in the same plant we have nissans what can we say.
I did get beat by HR car my home girl has one i lost by 2 cars...but my motor was defective...but its on for the rematch with my new motor and new mods . lmao....and get a vid...its all fun and games..lol
But theres no way for me to be convinced to trade the difference to me isnt jusitifable. Unless i have that nice yamaha suspension brackets and coil overs in the nismo z
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Originally Posted by Bumpinjeep
I would love to see a stock HR and a modded bolt on DE line up. I honestly just dont see how any bolt on DE would come close to an HR motor let alone catch one. Still that would be fun to see the evolution of the VQ in the Z.
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i/h/sp/cams/e/flash might do the trick
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Originally Posted by Arnold K.
PM: Oh, I know. It's just that our resident genius said:
So I only used that brilliant logic against him. And I'm looking at that Top 25 stock, laughing...because it only proves my point. SOLO is a joker. This guy can't be for real.
So I only used that brilliant logic against him. And I'm looking at that Top 25 stock, laughing...because it only proves my point. SOLO is a joker. This guy can't be for real.
+111111111111111111111111111111111111111, the sad thing is though he is for real