SOLO-350Z

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I see you use to be Archbishop. Enjoy your soon to be new vacation.. Looks like you are only here to cause trouble. You won't be here long.

PM-Performance

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I agree. Who gives a **** enuff that we need a topic on this once a week?
How many times will an HR equipped car line up against a DE equipped car?
WHO CARES!

Also everyone knows the 2JZ is the motor that was touched by God himself. Nissan would never be able to top that!

SniperHunter

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12s? 12s?

12s?

13 second car all the time?



DE will run low-14s with a bad driver and launch. High 13s with a decent one. The same way the HR has been ran with 14 sec runs, because of bad drivers and launches, and low-mid 13s with a good driver and launch. Your HR is not a consistent 13 second car. To use your logic, nearly every magazine has ran a 14-sec 1/4 with an HR. Looks like it's not "13s all the time."

SOLO-350Z

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Sorry but I like facts, and they are all here below. I am done here till you can prove otherwise.

FACTS:

STOCK down to the tire:

1. Peak350 ------------------------ 07 Enth 6spd 13.239@105.67mph 1.923 60ft
2. Veetec --------------------------07 Base 6spd 13.285@107.19mph 1.984 60ft
3. Warmmilk ------------------------07 Enth 6spd 13.412@104.04mph 2.006 60ft
4. Pat Bateman ---------------------07 Base 6spd 13.465@106.86mph 2.227 60ft
5. Veetec --------------------------04 Base 6spd 13.640@102.42mph 1.983 60ft
6. jdifolco ------------------------07 Tour 6spd 13.644@104.68mph 2.201 60ft
7. DomZ --------------------------- 03 Tour Auto 13.667@101.57mph 1.996 60ft
8. BriGuyMax -----------------------03 Tour 6spd 13.688@102.77mph 2.091 60ft
9. Specv_USMC ----------------------07 Base 6spd 13.711@102.88mph 2.163 60ft
10. 1.8T ---------------------------03 Base 6spd 13.736@102.99mph 2.135 60ft
11. VitViper -----------------------07 Tour 6spd 13.763@100.96mph 2.150 60ft
12. Alberto ------------------------03 Trac 6spd 13.779@101.40mph 2.052 60ft
13. AJcool2 ------------------------04 Tour Auto 13.852@100.25mph 2.127 60ft
14. Gripfordough -------------------03 Trac 6spd 13.861@ 99.36mph 2.105 60ft
15. Accordaleer --------------------07 Tour Auto 13.872@101.xxmph x.xxx 60ft
16. Davidv -------------------------04 Enth 6spd 13.897@101.07mph 2.026 60ft
17. 350zshopper---------------------07 Tour 6spd 13.936@100.84mph 2.193 60ft
18. dave079-------------------------03 Base 6spd 13.945@101.29mph 2.130 60ft
19. 350JAR -------------------------04 Base 6spd 13.947@102.65mph 2.259 60ft
20. Integrity ----------------------03 Tour 6spd 13.951@101.10mph 2.140 60ft
21. Faithmassive -------------------07 Base 6spd 14.012@100.71mph 2.228 60ft
22. cp79shark ----------------------07 Nsmo 6spd 14.017@_97.83mph 2.152 60ft
23. carlos067 ----------------------06 Enth 6spd 14.029@101.78mph 2.118 60ft
24. Mid117 -------------------------06 Base 6spd 14.041@100.57mph 2.217 60ft
25. gsingh350Z ---------------------07 Enth 6spd 14.050@100.37mph 2.394 60ft
26. Bigo109 ------------------------03 Enth Auto 14.145@_96.97mph_2.077 60ft
27. Jonny Boy ----------------------06 _GT_ 6spd 14.297@_99.50mph_2.285 60ft
28. TyWinter -----------------------03 Tour 6spd 14.375@_98.48mph_2.215 60ft
29. TheKinn ------------------------06 Enth 6spd 14.393@_99.49mph 2.357 60ft

Modded slightly with the fast 12.9 one on only drag radials.

Not Stock/Bolt-ons 07+ VQ35HR

1. Gooey -------------------------- 07 Enth 6spd 12.947@107.11mph 1.796 60ft Verified DR's
2. Seb-Specialty-Z----------------- 07 Enth Auto 13.556@104.17mph 2.045 60ft Verified DR's
3. jdifolco ------------------------07 Tour 6spd 13.605@104.52mph 2.080 60ft Verified Street
4. rkemp1 --------------------------07 Base 6spd 13.735@104.07mph 2.107 60ft Verified Street
5. Skorch --------------------------07 Enth 6spd 13.792@102.79mph 2.098 60ft Verified Street
6. Faithmassive-------------------- 07 Base 6spd 13.979@102.66mph 2.321 60ft Verified Street


Modded 03-06 DE cars...Took a lot of mods for them to even get into the 12s, usually engine build.

1. AudibleMayhem ---Built Block -03 Tour 6spd 12.338@110.18mph 1.700 60ft Slicks
2. Sfarrah ----------------------03 Enth 6spd 12.876@107.81mph 1.750 60ft DR's
3. Veetec -----------------------04 Base 6spd 13.010@105.69mph 1.804 60ft DR's
4. Aceman------------------------03 Base 6spd 13.064@105.50mph 1.809 60ft Et Str
5. Alberto ----------------------03 Trac 6spd 13.131@107.15mph 1.895 60ft Slicks
6. DayBlueZ ---------------------04 Tour Auto 13.170@103.19mph 1.922 60ft Street
7. 3hree5ive0ero ----------------03 Tour 6spd 13.212@104.75mph 1.896 60ft Slicks
8. Zridder19 --------------------03 Tour 6spd 13.226@104.29mph 1.893 60ft DR's
9. Trey.Hutcheson ----- SEDAN ---05 G35- 6spd 13.264@103.96mph 1.895 60ft DR's
10. Davidv ----------------------04 Enth 6spd 13.331@105.24mph 1.947 60ft Street
11. Mojo Powered ----------------04 Tour 6spd 13.349@103.32mph 1.919 60ft DR's
12. Corsair ---------------------03 Perf 6spd 13.377@103.08mph 1.913 60ft DR's
13. 04treefiddy------------------04 Enth 6spd 13.379@101.95mph 1.901 60ft DR's
14. Integrity -------------------03 Tour 6spd 13.396@103.82mph 1.899 60ft Slicks
15. JG 350z ---------------------05 Enth 6spd 13.454@102.92mph 1.965 60ft Street
16. 350z_Redline ----------------03 Tour 6spd 13.488@103.92mph 1.992 60ft Street
17. DomZ ------------------------03 Tour Auto 13.494@101.89mph 1.956 60ft Street
18. Shifty711 -------------------05 35th 6spd 13.557@103.39mph 2.081 60ft Street
19. Supra Crazy -----------------03 Trac 6spd 13.572@107.10mph 2.175 60ft Street
20. abailey269 --------- SEDAN --04 G35_ 6spd 13.631@101.81mph 1.966 60ft DR's
21. Walkert ---------------------05 Base 6spd 13.640@101.57mph 2.048 60ft Street
22. VicPham ---------------------03 Tour 6spd 13.653@103.15mph 2.195 60ft Street
23. TyWinter---------------------03 Tour 6spd 13.664@102.91mph 1.953 60ft Slicks
24. Gotbooost--------------------03 Trac 6spd 13.669@101.52mph 2.029 60ft Street
25. keznevin --------------------05 Tour 6spd 13.691@_99.73mph 1.987 60ft Street

PM-Performance

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I wouldnt trust magazine articles. I dont think they run them on real tracks with real timing devices. Just some choppy pavement for testing grounds with gtecs.

Also i have seen more low 13 runs then 14's in HRs. And yes someone has run 12's with a few boltons and radials with an 07.
Not a big surprise. We all knew this was gonna happen as soon as we saw a 13.2-13.3 posted within weeks of its release

i would say even with a bad driver the avg worst times will likely be in the 13.7 range with the HR. With that being said I have seen wayyyyy tooo many 14-15 sec DE's for comparison.

SniperHunter

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PM: Oh, I know. It's just that our resident genius said:

So I only used that brilliant logic against him. And I'm looking at that Top 25 stock, laughing...because it only proves my point. SOLO is a joker. This guy can't be for real.

SOLO-350Z

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How does that prove your point at all? All the DE cars were high 13s-14s with most in the 14s and HR low 13s and there is a heck of a lot more DE cars that went to the track than HR so far but every HR that has gone except 2, has hit 13s bone stock even with a bad 60 ft.

cvt

iTrader: (1)

Veetec 13.640 on a DE stock <--best time
Peak350s 13.236 on an HR stock <--best time

...let's leave it at that, a .4 difference in the 1/4.

let this thread die. it's going in circles.

SniperHunter

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6 out of 18 is most now? 5 of those 6 which had awful launches.

So...not only are you stupid, but you failed math too? God, I hope this forum has an ignore feature.

Edit: There is a God. Never thought I'd had to put this to use.

PM-Performance

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Veetec is the best example. he is an exceptional driver and has had both cars and ran them both stock. The comparison is about .4 sec between his DE car and HR car.
Nuff said as above.

SOLO-350Z

iTrader: (26)

Also 5 more mph between Veetec DE and HR. That is a huge difference.

kacz07

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what did anyone expect to come of this?

just another thread with a different title with essentially the same arguments

RBlover69

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you are aware that in the HR forum there are numberous HRs who have gotten 14 sec slips right and 13.9s...im not saying its not the more capable but to me a Z is a mid 13sec talking 03 to 05 none revup. There have been numerous times that people have shown and clearly there is life beyond this forum and if you been to the track which im sure you have you should notice it aswell. I ran a 13.7 in my 04 Z and im no 1/4 driver i much prefer to road race.

Also what your defending is common knowledge with engine stats. We all know the engine is the better it should be. But at the margin most make it out to be no. Im not knocking a fellow Z. But if you run or look at lap times with the HR its not that far beyond a 06s times. 1/4 wise the HR makes more tq then anyother motor which is of course produces the best times. But i think if your thinking a DE motor cannot do 13.6s or a bolt on DE beat a stock HR your mistaken. I dyno'd 251 in my revup....it doesnt take much for me to reach stock peak hp levels of a HR motor. Tq can only be your argument and when a HR puts it at a lower rpm.

ALso you didnt acknolwdge the PSI argument.

currently NA wise its showing very promising but FI wise..cmon...theres no proof that its better at producing more power then the DE. And in case if you havent notice VQs love boost 100rwhp increases with a stock turbo kit is to me a motor that likes boost this was common knowledge years ago.

I can say the HR looks to me very stout to hold boost but being more effiecient at making power would be ludicrise to say since its in its infant stage.

Everyone with a HR isnt getting into the low 13s just like how every one with a DE isnt getting into the mid 13s..Its a minority still to tell you the truth.
Capable and what people are getting are 2 diff things.

My argument still stands for my OP and to my purpose posting in here.
IF you have low milage on a current Z....there really isnt to me a good reason to trade for a new HR Z unless its a Nismo Z because suspension wise its amazing and its a collectable. Wait for the 3.7.



and HR being more reliable...um there are tsbs already out for it. And it just came out really..lets not get ahead of ourselves the same people make the motor. its to early to think like that.

Just hopefully you wont have the problems of the psat but theres always room for more..i dont remember 06s having clutch engament issues nor pinging noises from manifold....current tsbs..

granted i had oil comp with my first vq35der but its a diff motor built by the same people in the same plant we have nissans what can we say.

I did get beat by HR car my home girl has one i lost by 2 cars...but my motor was defective...but its on for the rematch with my new motor and new mods . lmao....and get a vid...its all fun and games..lol

But theres no way for me to be convinced to trade the difference to me isnt jusitifable. Unless i have that nice yamaha suspension brackets and coil overs in the nismo z

07-Zman

HR's just plain kick ***!!! Stock for stock, mod for mod the HR will run off and hide from the 03-06 Z's. Sorry.......thanks for playing.

PM-Performance

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Where do you find these TSB's?
I though Nissan was not aknowledging the clutch problems?

Bumpinjeep

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I would love to see a stock HR and a modded bolt on DE line up. I honestly just dont see how any bolt on DE would come close to an HR motor let alone catch one. Still that would be fun to see the evolution of the VQ in the Z.

cvt

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i/h/sp/cams/e/flash might do the trick

Bumpinjeep

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I remember seeing a thread on the build for the 300 WHP NA DE. That thing had a TON of money put into it. To be honest i dont know the HR has so many differences than the DE it would be cool to find out exactly what it would take for a DE to be as efficient in making power like an HR. Plus it would be cool to take a stock 287,300, 306 and line them up with the same driver somehow and see the difference. It would be pretty hard to find a low mileage 287 these days though.

gabez33

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Especially with drilled holes in the air box for added powa

gabez33

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+111111111111111111111111111111111111111, the sad thing is though he is for real