Paper Tiger

As much as I love NissanĄ¯s Z car, IĄ¯ve loved NissanĄ¯s Skyline. IĄ¯ve just checked some photos of the upcoming GT-R. Someone from this forum suggested that Infiniti G35 was the new line of JapanĄ¯s long awaited Skyline. He was absolutely right, I believed him, but at the same time I had to find out for myself. However, they are not the GT-R, theyĄ¯re also on the way to Japan and more importantly, North America. ItĄ¯s in a concept stage now, so itĄ¯ll at least take another two to possibly five years, right? If not, when will it be released in Japan and North America? Can anyone stab at the price in North America?

IĄ¯m in the market for a new car, before, there was no question about it. It was the new Z car for me. Now, IĄ¯m considering InfinitiĄ¯s G35 as well. IĄ¯m stomped, I havenĄ¯t test driven a G35, but I have test driven couple of 350Zs. For those of you, whoĄ¯ve been following these two cars closely, what are the ups and downs for both these cars in a direct comparison?

If the GT-R is coming to North America in the next year, IĄ¯ll keep driving my 1998 Honda Prelude until then.
If the GT-R is coming to North America in the distant future (3 to 5 years.), then IĄ¯ll buy the 350Z and trade it in for a GT-R later.

Please help!

Nocturnal

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My 2 cent, and most of them can be wrong.

First, the GT-R as of right now is still pretty much talk, and thats it, just talk. There is NOTHING solid on the GT-R right now. Some people say it is going to be turbo charged using the new garrett electric turbo, but then again, just TALK.

Pretty much Every car company right now in Japan dropped Turbo out of their line, in exception to those that cannot do without it (Lancer Evolution 8, WRX), the S15 is now history from what I know, and no talk on the S16 either. So that looks like the end of the SR20DET there. All the new car are pretty much N/A, the New Supra will have V8 from concept, NSX is upping to V8 also, 350Z and the Skyline is now using the VQ35DE, there are no solid info on the GT-R. the RX-8 is using the new renisis rotory engine, the RX-7 is gone. Mazda say RX-8 is not a RX-7 replacement, and that they are going to release a newer version of RX-7 later, but then again, just talk.

So there you have it, all the muscle car of Japan are now all NA. Turbo seems like History...which makes the GT-R pretty much worthless given the rules lay out for it. 4 wheel drive takes up alot of power and torque, and thats where the RB26DETT comes in. It gives an incrediable amount of power stock, and can easily boost up to more, and tune up to an insane amount of power, and the 4WD keeps the power to the ground. Unlike the Supra and the Z32 300ZX, just as capable as the Skyline, but their rear wheel drive cannot handle 600+ HP, 4WD however can do it easier.

Now if you are going to have a NA car running on 4WD, it will not be as easily tuned as the older GT-R. Which mean it will be slow stock being limited to 280HP. That kind of take away the point of the GT-R. You can always tune it, but it will take alot to get to 400HP, and even more mod to get it over that mark. where the older GT-R can just boost up and go.

So in short, if you are hoping that the NEW GT-R will be like the R34 GT-R, North America or Japan, I suggest you to get the R34 GT-R. I got a feeling the legand of the GT-R will end with that.

As for difference between G35 and 350Z, your main question is do you need 4 seat. If you need 4 seat, get the G35, if 2 is all you need (weekend car, don't like to be the driver with friends, etc, etc), get the 350Z.

Hope it helps, but again, just talks. Any further newer or updated information are welcome.

Paper Tiger

Hey! First of all your handle appeals to me.
Honest to god, every other handle I have on other websites are usually, "Nocturnus Tigris." Which means Nocturnal Tiger in Latin. I don't know why, but I feel a weird sense of kinship towards you.

Second, if all you've told me is accurate, I'd just stick with 350Z.
Weird option, but I hate to be the driver amongs friends. All I need is one passenger seat for my girlfriend. Plus, if the upcoming GT-R isn't even the same GT-R, it can wait until I experience my first Z car.

Off subject, as dorky and funny as this might sound, being a videogame dork that I am. I play a lot of games on PlayStation and PlayStation 2. Ever since I realized what I can do with a Skyline in GranTurismo 1, I was madly in love with this car. I've heard every cars' specs, perfermance and physics represented in the game GranTurismo is 99% acturate. Skyline, prooved to be the best on any given course with these cars: NSX, Lancer Evolution, RX-7, WRX and Supra. (I was racing against the clock and not against each other.)

TriX

The info he told you isn't quite right. There is info on the japanese sites listing the stats for the skyline r35...

It will have a new 4wd system it will be a v6 TT but new turbo and run about 350-400 bhp. ANOTHER BEAST.

so don't count on getting that instead of z. since this car will probably start at 50k+.

one other thing the car will be shown at the 2003 tokyo auto show this should be the real deal since the car is supposed to in the states as a 2005 model. (meaning end of 2004) about the time new supra will show up.

Paper Tiger: if you like AWD cars go with EVO or WRX.

TriX

Nocturnal you are not quite right about rwd not being able to handle 600 bhp both juno and veilside made 1000 bhp supra's.

If you don't belive me go here:

http://www.exvitermini.com/

download a movie that shows a 900 bhp supra doing a 0-300km/hr time in UK. or the veilside 1284 bhp supra doing a race on road tires.

G*Rated{350z}

Get the skyline. Dont get me wrong the z is a great car. But the skyline is better. awd's handeling is way better then rwd. You loose some power, so what.... add some more. On a track z will for sure loose to the skyline.

Nocturnal

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Flame Suit on....lol

Thank you, I always thought Nocturnal is a nice name too. Nobel, but a taint of evil...muhhahahaha.

As I said with the New Skyline GT-R, I havn't heard of anything solid. I seen the concept picture and all, but nothing really Nissan. As for the V6TT, again, all I heard was talk. It was suppose to be a VQ35DE, and with the stregthening, it might drop down to 3.3L, making it a VQ33DETT. the RB26 was a great engine, but then it is too expansive to produce. As for it being 350-400HP, that is if it is not sold in Japan. The thing is that Nissan, along with other car manufacture had talk about scrapping that 280HP limit set by the highway safety in Japan, because they are getting their rear end handed back to them by other more powerful import such as BMW M3. But that limit is still here today. If you got something solid, let me know.

Now I don't mean Supra can't produce 1000HP, I just said it can't handle it...at least by you and me. Sure anyone can handle 800HP on the drag strip, or even the freeway. But if you are going to make a turn, say a large and long one such as one of those bridge for changing freeway. If you have a 1000HP Supra and you step on the gas half way in the turn, that sudden torque that kicks in will spin your rear out and you will probably end up on the wrong freeway (the one in the bottom).

This is where GT-R shine. It can take that huge amount of torque, apply it to all four wheel, so the long as you keep your feet on the trottle, it will just bite harder to the road. 4WD system takes more power, but who cares if you have over 800HP.

In short, the skyline is more streetable then the Supra once you get up into the really high power figure. Thats the beauty of 4WD.

The R33, R34 is a beast for sure. While I hope the R35 be just as good, if not better. The rules laid out for the R35 looks grim since the strict pollution laws now apply pretty much make turbo history. Unless they can find a way to make this turbo charged super car runs clean, which is still possible. But then it will probably have the exhaust pipe made out of CAT in order to filter out all the dirty stuff. And with that, it will mean that the car will be hard to modify because of all the electronic within the system (just look the how hard the 350Z is to modify)

In your case, I say go for the 350Z. I had a Passat before I got this, and while I love my Passat and I love to drive, I hate being the driver everytime I go out with my friends. We got a group of 4 guys, and we have the choice of 2 corolla, 1 celica, and 1 Passat, guess which car we took?

TriX

Juno makes supras for both street and/or track. I personally have seen Supras putting out 700 rwh that are meant for the street and in fact drive just fine in every day traffic. I don't think its a wise idea but different people different strokes.

I really don't understand what more streetable means? Gamballa porsches are RWD and put out in the 900 bhp region they are street/track cars? Any car that is putting out this kind of power wouldn't be the same as driving your moms ford escort if that is what you mean.

As far as the r35 like I said the info I gave was mainly the news that has been circling around.

Well it will be a v6 not a v8 and will be a awd. Now as far as turbo is concerned I don't see why not. Its meant for the European and American market nissan has said this already.

Since 350z will be seeing a TT why bring a skyline with less bhp. That is my point. Also you have realize Skyline will be in competition with WRX and EVO. Both of those cars are currently running a Turbo setup. Honestly I don't even care if the car has the same setup as r34 just as long as its a beast.

Nocturnal

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You got to love good debate.

First, it is possible to run 700HP, even 900HP on the street, I didn't say it is possible, I am just saying it is dangerous.

Supra running that amount of HP on the street is very dangerous, think about driving it in the rain. You take a turn on second gear, gas out to get out of the turn, you see your boost guage hit 1.5BAR and over 700lbs of torque hit the rear wheel...guess where your rear end is going...guess were it is going even if it is dry.

4WD makes high horsepower car more manageable by everyday driver. I know if that happen with a professional racer, no problem, let off trottle, counter steer, etc all in fraction of a second...we can't do that...at least I can't do that....yet.

R34 is so popular over the Supra because they both can be tuned to the same amount of horsepower...but once they hit the turn, R34 will own, because that 4WD can take all the power and bite the ground instead of the Supra, which take all that power and make the rear spin out. the JZA80 Supra got Traction Control, but it is still a rear wheel drive car.

From my dictionary, Streetable means it is possible to run the car in the street reliablely, without the fear of weather condition, road condition, and the need to wear a helmet because you might need it. R34 that is 600HP is streetable, barely, since it can still drive somewhat normal, still take turn pretty well, and the engine is strong enough to build that power so that you don't need to rebuild your engine every year. A 600HP Supra is starting to get unstreetable, since it require alot more attention when driving it daily then the R34. The Skyline can full trottle out of an exit, the Supra cannot.

A 800HP car start to become unstreetable...as in order to hold that amount of HP, your clutch will probably be so hard that if you go on reverse, let out of the clutch, the car will stall. Unless you reverse at 5K rpm...then it is a different story.

TriX

Actually I am quite bored with this....but as I said for each his own.

You have ur logic I have mine. It is pretty easy to tune a supra to 500-600 bhp region. I have seen a few only meant for the street and speaking to the owners they drove just fine with them. Like I said before.

Also it seems like what your are saying simply defeats the purpose of buy exotics. By your defenition R34 is safer for average driver then is a ferarri m575 (585 bhp) or any other 500+ bhp exotic.

Yes I know you can't compare ferrari to a supra but they run on a similar RWD platform.

TriX