Carrying a firearm in your Z??
Yeah... I'm gonna wait until it comes back to customizing 1911's lol...
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I suppose life experiences will create a form of bias around this subject. Hence it's easy for me to say no to guns. I can understand your perspectives, but try to understand ours.
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Haha! I agree that law abiding citizens live in 'hoods that feel safer and they probably don't go looking for trouble.
Canada is 'safer' because their population to land ratio is lopsided. I'm sure a lot of it goes unreported, too.
BTW, I hope that comment about living in constant fear wasn't directed at me. For years, I didn't live with a gun in my house and felt fine. Even now, if I didn't have a gun in my house I'd still feel fine. That's what bats and crowbars are for. I choose or opt to exercise my right by having a weapon that needs registration. No big deal.
I do understand the Canadian perspective. Wasn't harping on it per se.
Canada is 'safer' because their population to land ratio is lopsided. I'm sure a lot of it goes unreported, too.
BTW, I hope that comment about living in constant fear wasn't directed at me. For years, I didn't live with a gun in my house and felt fine. Even now, if I didn't have a gun in my house I'd still feel fine. That's what bats and crowbars are for. I choose or opt to exercise my right by having a weapon that needs registration. No big deal.
I do understand the Canadian perspective. Wasn't harping on it per se.
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Agreed crime doesn't discriminate. But where I live, as long you don't go looking for it, you are okay. Like I said, I have never been in a situation where a gun was needed. And I don't know a single soul who would say otherwise. Maybe Canada is just that much safer of a nation. If you are living in constant fear that you feel a gun will save you so be it. It's your right, but we don't need it here, hence you don't see majority of Canadians demanding it. We don't feel that it's an infringement of our rights. If a guy breaks into my house and steals my "goods" so be it. I have insurance for that, but last thing I want is to get into a gun fight where other innocent people can get hurt.
I suppose life experiences will create a form of bias around this subject. Hence it's easy for me to say no to guns. I can understand your perspectives, but try to understand ours.
I suppose life experiences will create a form of bias around this subject. Hence it's easy for me to say no to guns. I can understand your perspectives, but try to understand ours.
- I do not carry because I am fearful
- I do not carry because it makes me feel more than what I am
- Part of my job
- My right as a citizen
- I would rather have it on me and not need it than to need it and not have
well said and 100% correct sir! 
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I know the perfect picture for you.
From your statement, that would mean that citizens having guns would make the country safe from criminals. Therefore, America should be the safest country in the world, right? Far from it. Little did you know is that when you start allowing any dumbass to carry a gun around, one of them is going to go and shoot up a campus or rob a store.
And trust me, we really don't have many criminals around here. Even in Jane and Finch.
From your statement, that would mean that citizens having guns would make the country safe from criminals. Therefore, America should be the safest country in the world, right? Far from it. Little did you know is that when you start allowing any dumbass to carry a gun around, one of them is going to go and shoot up a campus or rob a store.
And trust me, we really don't have many criminals around here. Even in Jane and Finch.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate
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Please read my point about stupid people and guns. If you haven't figured it out yet, my concern in regards to owning gun, is because of stupid people.
The right to own anything should be a freedom to everyone. But stupid people ruin that right. So how does one mitigate that risk? Weigh the pros and cons with measurable statistics. If you can prove that owning a fire arm has deterred more crime and violence than it has provoked it then it would speak for itself. But the truth is, and ask yourself this, have you ever been in a situation where your life was at risk and your gun saved your life? Maybe it has, maybe it hasn't and maybe it will. But look at all the violence and deaths that have been caused by people who owned firearms or were held in households. In Canada, there are people who have illegal firearms, it's impossible to get rid of a 100%. But the fight in keeping them out of the hands of the wrong people, is on going and I believe it does make a difference.
The right to own anything should be a freedom to everyone. But stupid people ruin that right. So how does one mitigate that risk? Weigh the pros and cons with measurable statistics. If you can prove that owning a fire arm has deterred more crime and violence than it has provoked it then it would speak for itself. But the truth is, and ask yourself this, have you ever been in a situation where your life was at risk and your gun saved your life? Maybe it has, maybe it hasn't and maybe it will. But look at all the violence and deaths that have been caused by people who owned firearms or were held in households. In Canada, there are people who have illegal firearms, it's impossible to get rid of a 100%. But the fight in keeping them out of the hands of the wrong people, is on going and I believe it does make a difference.
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See also: Category:Gangs in Toronto
In his 1945 book Street Gangs in Toronto: A Study of the Forgotten Boy,[10] Kenneth H. Rogers identified the following gangs active at that time in the following areas of the city:
* Moss Park - Riverdale: Brown Gang, Grey Gang, Porter Gang
* Withrow Park: Beavers, Britch Gang, Graphic Gang (Rogers refers to at least 4 other unnamed gangs in this area)
* North Toronto: Evans Gang, King Gang, Wunkies
* Rosedale: Arnot Gang, Basket Gang, Black Gang, Green Gang, Grey Gang (Rogers refers to 2 other unnamed gangs in this area)
* Bathurst & Queen: Aces Gang, Aggies, Bridge Gang, Cardinal Group, George Gang, Harris Gang, Mix Gang, Park Gang, Rustler Gang, Trapper Gang
Most of these gangs were simply loose-knit groups of juvenile delinquents involved mainly in low-level, petty crimes such as gambling, shop-lifting, and pick-pocketing (Rogers was actually robbed by members of the King Gang while attempting to interview them). The composition of the gangs were mainly poor caucasian youth of British descent, although some were more ethnically diverse such as the George Gang (Jewish), the Mix Gang (Black), and the Aggies (Polish & Ukranian).
Recently, gang related incidents have been on the rise. Between the years of 1997 and 2005 over 300 gang-related deaths have occurred. American gang experts have been brought in and increased funding for programs in troubled neighbourhoods have been recently initiated. Other organizations, including the New York City-based group Guardian Angels, have come to Toronto despite the massive displeasure of city residents, city officials, and politicians. Despite these incidents, Toronto police have made significant arrests of gang members, which has resulted in fewer illegal guns on the streets. In late September 2005, Toronto police arrested 44 members of the Rexdale-based "Ardwick Blood Crew" also known as A.B.C. Over 1,000 charges were laid. Then in May 2006, 106 additional gang members were apprehended, who were part of Rexdale's "Jamestown Crips", in the largest gang sweep in Toronto's history. In total, there were over 1,000 charges laid in the anti-gang offensive called Project XXX.[11] In June 2007, Toronto police arrested about 95 people, including leaders of the Jane and Finch-based "Driftwood Crips" and the sister of Jordan Manners, for a lengthy list of 700 criminal charges.[12] Other initiatives include a recent announcement by the Ontario government that they will contribute half the cost of hiring an additional 250 police officers. However, this is viewed by some as a reactionary move to the increased violence. There has also been an increase in social spending, which is aimed at community projects, and getting businesses to hire "at-risk youth" to get them away from gangs. The Ontario government has also come up with an anti-gun strategy.[13]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Toronto
Oh this must be untrue Sor... There possibly can't be a gang issue in Toronto.
Oh and look they even mention Jane and Finch like I did previously.
Hey guys, I was just wondering if any other Z owners carried their firearm(s) in their Z when not on their persons? My full size Glock won't fit well anywhere other than the rear floor compartment, which I know for a fact is legal, but I can fit my subcompact into the little cubby hole in the front dash (where the stock nav system would go), however I really am curious of the legalities. Planning on going to the local PD to ask them on Monday, but I'd like to know if any other Z owners carry in certain spots in their cars with good luck? Thanks guys,
Jeff
Jeff
