Anyone else pissed at getting a touring?
I don't know about the track, I don't like how the wheels still don't fill out the wheel wells... I would've gotten the Performance over the touring though... here's my breakdown
30,000 performance
-300 for a MP3 head unit
-600 for speakers
-700 for amps
-200 for a sub
-1000 for dealer two-tone leather
You pretty much end up saving about 1000 over the 34,000 price of a touring. That's the heated and power seats that you lose however... I don't mind giving those up. The touring stereo really is horrible though, and you'd have to tack on more money to the 34,000 MSRP to get that stereo fixed. So it's more like a 33,000 modified performance vs. a 36,000 (stereo modded) touring. It's more than the auto-eq and auto-volume issue. I think the BOSE stereo itself has horrible response even when you're listening to it with the car not moving (no change in interior noise volumes). The bass is boomy and the trebles aren't clear at all..
Just my opinion.. Of course, I went even more overboard, my car cost 39,000 @ MSRP before i tacked on tax (Lojack, fully loaded, and 5 year warranty).
30,000 performance
-300 for a MP3 head unit
-600 for speakers
-700 for amps
-200 for a sub
-1000 for dealer two-tone leather
You pretty much end up saving about 1000 over the 34,000 price of a touring. That's the heated and power seats that you lose however... I don't mind giving those up. The touring stereo really is horrible though, and you'd have to tack on more money to the 34,000 MSRP to get that stereo fixed. So it's more like a 33,000 modified performance vs. a 36,000 (stereo modded) touring. It's more than the auto-eq and auto-volume issue. I think the BOSE stereo itself has horrible response even when you're listening to it with the car not moving (no change in interior noise volumes). The bass is boomy and the trebles aren't clear at all..
Just my opinion.. Of course, I went even more overboard, my car cost 39,000 @ MSRP before i tacked on tax (Lojack, fully loaded, and 5 year warranty).
For me the Enthusiast made the most sense. The only difference between the two is the VDC, which I didn't want anyway. Hell, I barely even want the TCS.
I wanted the Track at first, but after looking at what they wanted for lower end Brembo calipers (not even the full system) and Ray's wheels (18"s at that), I honestly kind of felt it was a ripoff.
I'll get the 19" wheels I want, the stereo I want, the brakes I want (Willwood), the leather seats I want, all for about the same price as the Track.
The Touring, for my needs at least, made no sense. I don't care about electric seats, have no need for heated ones, haven't heard a stock stereo yet that pleases my ears and certainly have no desire/need to own a navigation system. If I wanted that, I'd have bought the G35, not a 350z.
In retrospect, I kind of wish Nissan would have thought about the options packages before they put them together. Some border in redundantly useless.
I wanted the Track at first, but after looking at what they wanted for lower end Brembo calipers (not even the full system) and Ray's wheels (18"s at that), I honestly kind of felt it was a ripoff.
I'll get the 19" wheels I want, the stereo I want, the brakes I want (Willwood), the leather seats I want, all for about the same price as the Track.
The Touring, for my needs at least, made no sense. I don't care about electric seats, have no need for heated ones, haven't heard a stock stereo yet that pleases my ears and certainly have no desire/need to own a navigation system. If I wanted that, I'd have bought the G35, not a 350z.
In retrospect, I kind of wish Nissan would have thought about the options packages before they put them together. Some border in redundantly useless.
Dude, VDC is the BEST. Seriously, on higher power RWD cars, VDC will save even the most experienced driver from spinning out in emergency maneuver situation (esp in the rain or foul weather). So many IS300 owners who didn't have it on their first year cars (and 2nd year manuals-on) have crashed their cars due to oversteering turning into spins and slides. And the IS only as 215HP too...
Originally posted by z461
Dude, VDC is the BEST. Seriously, on higher power RWD cars, VDC will save even the most experienced driver from spinning out in emergency maneuver situation (esp in the rain or foul weather). So many IS300 owners who didn't have it on their first year cars (and 2nd year manuals-on) have crashed their cars due to oversteering turning into spins and slides. And the IS only as 215HP too...
Dude, VDC is the BEST. Seriously, on higher power RWD cars, VDC will save even the most experienced driver from spinning out in emergency maneuver situation (esp in the rain or foul weather). So many IS300 owners who didn't have it on their first year cars (and 2nd year manuals-on) have crashed their cars due to oversteering turning into spins and slides. And the IS only as 215HP too...
Until then, I'd prefer none of it. The extra difference in price between the Performance and Enthusiast did not warrant VDC (which I'd always have off anyway).
There's a lot to be said for sheer ability. I've owned a number of RWD cars and the vast majority of them (save one or two) were substantially more powerful than the 350Z.
And until three years ago I lived in New Orleans my whole life. Driving in rain is not even noticeable to me.
Originally posted by jeffrey
When I want the car to drive itself for me, I'll buy an Audi.
Until then, I'd prefer none of it. The extra difference in price between the Performance and Enthusiast did not warrant VDC (which I'd always have off anyway).
There's a lot to be said for sheer ability. I've owned a number of RWD cars and the vast majority of them (save one or two) were substantially more powerful than the 350Z.
And until three years ago I lived in New Orleans my whole life. Driving in rain is not even noticeable to me.
When I want the car to drive itself for me, I'll buy an Audi.
Until then, I'd prefer none of it. The extra difference in price between the Performance and Enthusiast did not warrant VDC (which I'd always have off anyway).
There's a lot to be said for sheer ability. I've owned a number of RWD cars and the vast majority of them (save one or two) were substantially more powerful than the 350Z.
And until three years ago I lived in New Orleans my whole life. Driving in rain is not even noticeable to me.
Last edited by z461; Oct 7, 2002 at 09:47 AM.
Thanks. I already knew what VDC is/was and for me, it's still a waste of money.
Still don't want it, don't think it's worth the money and certainly isn't worth a whole new package designation (Performance).
Funny you quoted the M3, another car I don't like lol. And it doesn't snow in Texas, so no problem there either.
ABS? Sure. TCS and VDC? Nah, that just takes the 'Sports' out of 'Sports Car' imo. Kind of a neutering.
Still don't want it, don't think it's worth the money and certainly isn't worth a whole new package designation (Performance).
Funny you quoted the M3, another car I don't like lol. And it doesn't snow in Texas, so no problem there either.
ABS? Sure. TCS and VDC? Nah, that just takes the 'Sports' out of 'Sports Car' imo. Kind of a neutering.
Originally posted by integraowner
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After living with the car for a while, I actually prefer the touring 18" wheels over the track wheels. I used to think the track wheels looked better, but I think the 18" wheels are less racerboy looking and better fitting to the overall car.
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After living with the car for a while, I actually prefer the touring 18" wheels over the track wheels. I used to think the track wheels looked better, but I think the 18" wheels are less racerboy looking and better fitting to the overall car.
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