370z has overheating issues on road courses
02-04-2009, 07:52 AM
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I see the point with Nismo but the car isn't made for the track? What's the point of it? 
I mean with features like SynchroRev, a 50/50 weight balance, etc one might be confused by all of this...
I understand not everyone tracks their car but not everyone who buys a Corvette tracks their car either...
I mean with features like SynchroRev, a 50/50 weight balance, etc one might be confused by all of this...I understand not everyone tracks their car but not everyone who buys a Corvette tracks their car either...
02-04-2009, 07:56 AM
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seems like the guys who do track the car will have to take it into consideration, then you'll have to deal with Nissan dealers wanting to argue that you voided your warranty with an oil cooler.
I think a road course putting your car into limp mode is pretty extreme. I wonder how often it will happen this summer, when people head out to their favorite twisty roads. Or how well the oil holds up for people who push their car at every stoplight. I still feel like the VQ should be a no-excuses 200K+ motor in whatever platform it lives in. Hopefully Nissan feels that way too. But, sometimes you have to wonder if the marketing dept is calling the shots, not engineering. They've definitely put out some great specs for the price of the car. But there are certain compromises that arent acceptible, like a sports car that cant participate in motorsports without shutting down, if it turns out to be so..
I think a road course putting your car into limp mode is pretty extreme. I wonder how often it will happen this summer, when people head out to their favorite twisty roads. Or how well the oil holds up for people who push their car at every stoplight. I still feel like the VQ should be a no-excuses 200K+ motor in whatever platform it lives in. Hopefully Nissan feels that way too. But, sometimes you have to wonder if the marketing dept is calling the shots, not engineering. They've definitely put out some great specs for the price of the car. But there are certain compromises that arent acceptible, like a sports car that cant participate in motorsports without shutting down, if it turns out to be so..
02-04-2009, 08:42 AM
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You only further prove my point with your SUV comment, how many SUVs are actually THAT capable off pavement? Not too many, but the ones that arent are the ones that are most comfortable on the street and also sell in the best volumes. Thats just the way it works.
02-04-2009, 10:59 AM
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I understand your point, and I assure you the oil temp issue of hte 370z is apparent in every road car in stock form. Im sure the Z can handle mild sessions of road racing, but bottom line; its a road car, not a race car.
You only further prove my point with your SUV comment, how many SUVs are actually THAT capable off pavement? Not too many, but the ones that arent are the ones that are most comfortable on the street and also sell in the best volumes. Thats just the way it works.
You only further prove my point with your SUV comment, how many SUVs are actually THAT capable off pavement? Not too many, but the ones that arent are the ones that are most comfortable on the street and also sell in the best volumes. Thats just the way it works.
I did kind of prove your point with the SUV thing.. of course on the other side of it if I couldn't take it offroad I would be pretty upset. Same case here IMHO.
02-04-2009, 11:00 AM
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02-04-2009, 05:08 PM
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I don't understand what you people want. The car is made for everyday street driving, not for track use! It's not like going to over heat driving on the highway.
That's why they sell the oil cooler / Nismo option to help the cooling in case people want to track. Now if they put that in as stock and the price of the car goes up, there will be complaining about it too and people will say "why don't they take that off and sell it as an option cuz I don't track"
That's why they sell the oil cooler / Nismo option to help the cooling in case people want to track. Now if they put that in as stock and the price of the car goes up, there will be complaining about it too and people will say "why don't they take that off and sell it as an option cuz I don't track"
02-04-2009, 05:48 PM
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this is the same thing that happened to the 03 track Z when it first came out too-
oil cooler, ps cooler, (potentially diff cooler) needed for heavy track usage.. this is no different from any other car that is going to the track..
270*F isnt that bad if you're on synthetic..
oil cooler, ps cooler, (potentially diff cooler) needed for heavy track usage.. this is no different from any other car that is going to the track..
270*F isnt that bad if you're on synthetic..
02-05-2009, 05:30 AM
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this is the same thing that happened to the 03 track Z when it first came out too-
oil cooler, ps cooler, (potentially diff cooler) needed for heavy track usage.. this is no different from any other car that is going to the track..
270*F isnt that bad if you're on synthetic..
oil cooler, ps cooler, (potentially diff cooler) needed for heavy track usage.. this is no different from any other car that is going to the track..
270*F isnt that bad if you're on synthetic..
I was just reading on the technology in play.. I understand now that if the oil is in perfect shape it cause cause failure quickly, I think I understand why they were so agressive with limiting the engine.
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02-05-2009, 05:31 AM
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I don't understand what you people want. The car is made for everyday street driving, not for track use! It's not like going to over heat driving on the highway.
That's why they sell the oil cooler / Nismo option to help the cooling in case people want to track. Now if they put that in as stock and the price of the car goes up, there will be complaining about it too and people will say "why don't they take that off and sell it as an option cuz I don't track"
That's why they sell the oil cooler / Nismo option to help the cooling in case people want to track. Now if they put that in as stock and the price of the car goes up, there will be complaining about it too and people will say "why don't they take that off and sell it as an option cuz I don't track"
(Are those optional?)
02-05-2009, 08:01 AM
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I also would like to take on a different approached regarding of what I said. Perhaps, maybe just perhaps that the 370z does have this minor issue, that's why maybe it is wise to skip the first year model and wait.
02-05-2009, 09:32 AM
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Those features are marketing tools to give Nissan one-up on other auto manufacturers. Just like the launch control on the GT-R, it's a marketing tool to impress potential buyers. Making cars track worthy isn't Nissan's #1 priority, they want to sell cars to the masses.
"oh wow it goes 0-60 in 3.5 seconds!"
"oh wow it goes 0-60 in 3.5 seconds!"
02-05-2009, 09:36 AM
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I talked to a Nissan Tech/tech trainer at the Nissan headquarters here in Franklin, TN the other day and he told me that they are going to be outfitting all the 370Zs that come into dealerships with external oil coolers to solve this problem. He also said that he is waiting until this weekend when the temps get up a little to take them out and test them. So far he said the ones that he has tested have not had any overheating issues. (prob bc of the temps right now)
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02-05-2009, 10:11 AM
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Yes, that's a sports package with 19" rim and 275 rear and 245 front sticky tires. You can buy the base with 18" with 245 and 225.
I also would like to take on a different approached regarding of what I said. Perhaps, maybe just perhaps that the 370z does have this minor issue, that's why maybe it is wise to skip the first year model and wait.
I also would like to take on a different approached regarding of what I said. Perhaps, maybe just perhaps that the 370z does have this minor issue, that's why maybe it is wise to skip the first year model and wait.
02-05-2009, 04:12 PM
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Ah, the irony... after the 335i overheating issues that came about...
The 370Z is marketed as a sports car. I feel it's a mistake for it not to come with an oil cooler from the factory if it needs one, which it appears it does. Seriously, less than $200 per car in mass production.
And I wouldn't be surprised to see it as a part of future sports pkg cars.
The 370Z is marketed as a sports car. I feel it's a mistake for it not to come with an oil cooler from the factory if it needs one, which it appears it does. Seriously, less than $200 per car in mass production.
And I wouldn't be surprised to see it as a part of future sports pkg cars.
02-05-2009, 04:21 PM
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I talked to a Nissan Tech/tech trainer at the Nissan headquarters here in Franklin, TN the other day and he told me that they are going to be outfitting all the 370Zs that come into dealerships with external oil coolers to solve this problem. He also said that he is waiting until this weekend when the temps get up a little to take them out and test them. So far he said the ones that he has tested have not had any overheating issues. (prob bc of the temps right now)
02-05-2009, 04:51 PM
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Ah, the irony... after the 335i overheating issues that came about...
The 370Z is marketed as a sports car. I feel it's a mistake for it not to come with an oil cooler from the factory if it needs one, which it appears it does. Seriously, less than $200 per car in mass production.
And I wouldn't be surprised to see it as a part of future sports pkg cars.
The 370Z is marketed as a sports car. I feel it's a mistake for it not to come with an oil cooler from the factory if it needs one, which it appears it does. Seriously, less than $200 per car in mass production.
And I wouldn't be surprised to see it as a part of future sports pkg cars.
This is an oversimplification but, here goes.
Multiply that $200 cost per unit by the number of units sold. Let's just say that they sell 100,000 units in 5 years. Do the math and that's $20,000,000 for something that might not have been completely necessary.
Not everyone is going to track the car. It's a Nissan, not a Ferrari. It's an 'affordable sports car' so they're going to cut costs where they can.
02-05-2009, 04:56 PM
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Ah, the irony... after the 335i overheating issues that came about...
The 370Z is marketed as a sports car. I feel it's a mistake for it not to come with an oil cooler from the factory if it needs one, which it appears it does. Seriously, less than $200 per car in mass production.
And I wouldn't be surprised to see it as a part of future sports pkg cars.
The 370Z is marketed as a sports car. I feel it's a mistake for it not to come with an oil cooler from the factory if it needs one, which it appears it does. Seriously, less than $200 per car in mass production.
And I wouldn't be surprised to see it as a part of future sports pkg cars.