370z has overheating issues on road courses
02-02-2009, 05:42 AM
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370z has overheating issues on road courses
http://www. t h e 3 7 0 z .com/track-autocross-drifting-dragstrip/1706-first-track-experience-today-some-good-some-really-bad.html
Bummer. Wonder what they changed from the HR to that engine that is causing all that heat. I let mine sit for long periods near redline on the road courses and I have seen my temp go over half on a 100 degree day but never a issue.
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Bummer. Wonder what they changed from the HR to that engine that is causing all that heat. I let mine sit for long periods near redline on the road courses and I have seen my temp go over half on a 100 degree day but never a issue.
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02-02-2009, 05:54 AM
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Sadly it looks this way. After digging deeper it seems this is what is happening.
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Apparently Stillen is working on one for the VQ37 thanks to the G37 guys. Should probably work for the 370Z too I assume?
"TORQUE CUT CONTROL (AT HIGH ENGINE OIL TEMPERATURE)
ECM receives engine oil temperature signal from engine oil temperature sensor.
To avoid VVEL performance, ECM performs the engine torque cut control at high engine oil temperature.
If engine oil temperature is too high, engine oil viscosity will change. As a result, engine oil pressure is
decreased. This control is to control the VVEL operating angle by operating the VVEL actuator sub assembly.
If this control is operated, engine performance will decrease, then maximum engine speed is reduced a little,
for example.
NOTE:
If the engine oil temperature sensor is deteriorated, its characteristic will change.
In this case, the operating temperature for engine torque cut control might be decrease.
Perform Component Inspection of the engine oil temperature sensor to check for the deterioration.
Refer to EC-248, "Component Inspection". "
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Apparently Stillen is working on one for the VQ37 thanks to the G37 guys. Should probably work for the 370Z too I assume?
"TORQUE CUT CONTROL (AT HIGH ENGINE OIL TEMPERATURE)
ECM receives engine oil temperature signal from engine oil temperature sensor.
To avoid VVEL performance, ECM performs the engine torque cut control at high engine oil temperature.
If engine oil temperature is too high, engine oil viscosity will change. As a result, engine oil pressure is
decreased. This control is to control the VVEL operating angle by operating the VVEL actuator sub assembly.
If this control is operated, engine performance will decrease, then maximum engine speed is reduced a little,
for example.
NOTE:
If the engine oil temperature sensor is deteriorated, its characteristic will change.
In this case, the operating temperature for engine torque cut control might be decrease.
Perform Component Inspection of the engine oil temperature sensor to check for the deterioration.
Refer to EC-248, "Component Inspection". "
02-02-2009, 06:26 AM
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Sadly it looks this way. After digging deeper it seems this is what is happening.
-------
Apparently Stillen is working on one for the VQ37 thanks to the G37 guys. Should probably work for the 370Z too I assume?
"TORQUE CUT CONTROL (AT HIGH ENGINE OIL TEMPERATURE)
ECM receives engine oil temperature signal from engine oil temperature sensor.
To avoid VVEL performance, ECM performs the engine torque cut control at high engine oil temperature.
If engine oil temperature is too high, engine oil viscosity will change. As a result, engine oil pressure is
decreased. This control is to control the VVEL operating angle by operating the VVEL actuator sub assembly.
If this control is operated, engine performance will decrease, then maximum engine speed is reduced a little,
for example.
NOTE:
If the engine oil temperature sensor is deteriorated, its characteristic will change.
In this case, the operating temperature for engine torque cut control might be decrease.
Perform Component Inspection of the engine oil temperature sensor to check for the deterioration.
Refer to EC-248, "Component Inspection". "
-------
Apparently Stillen is working on one for the VQ37 thanks to the G37 guys. Should probably work for the 370Z too I assume?
"TORQUE CUT CONTROL (AT HIGH ENGINE OIL TEMPERATURE)
ECM receives engine oil temperature signal from engine oil temperature sensor.
To avoid VVEL performance, ECM performs the engine torque cut control at high engine oil temperature.
If engine oil temperature is too high, engine oil viscosity will change. As a result, engine oil pressure is
decreased. This control is to control the VVEL operating angle by operating the VVEL actuator sub assembly.
If this control is operated, engine performance will decrease, then maximum engine speed is reduced a little,
for example.
NOTE:
If the engine oil temperature sensor is deteriorated, its characteristic will change.
In this case, the operating temperature for engine torque cut control might be decrease.
Perform Component Inspection of the engine oil temperature sensor to check for the deterioration.
Refer to EC-248, "Component Inspection". "
We're working on a cooler package as well using our 370 for fitting. What I am trying to do is develop a single cooler kit and an RX7 style dual cooler kit as well.
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02-02-2009, 08:25 AM
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Wow, with any spirited/harsh driving, I guess synthetic is going to be a must. I wonder if we'll see varnishing? Oil temp issues of only a few degrees wreaked havoc on Toy/Lex motors. Track peeps will probably keep a much closer eye on this condition than say someone daily driving, which can be pretty harsh at times
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This doesn't concern me even a little. As anyone that tracks their 370Z will surely have to do what it takes to make a road-worthy car track-worthy. It doesn't make the 370Z any less of a car in the use it was intended for. Also, this is just one way to keep the cost down. Likely they [Nissan] asked themselves if it was needed for street operation. The answer is obviously no. It's not like it overheats on the highway or while idling at a long stoplight. The car wasn't rushed, and the sky isn't falling ontop of the 370. Sheesh.
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heat kills everything
and you expect to be able to do a track day or 2 without killing your car, especially when it is a sports car designed for the corners and not the straights
and you expect to be able to do a track day or 2 without killing your car, especially when it is a sports car designed for the corners and not the straights
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02-02-2009, 10:32 AM
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This is what I'm thinking. A single cooler set up for NA cars and a dual cooler for TT cars. Trying to use one large cooler may not work as well due to front mount on a TT car, so having one oil cooler on each side could be the answer. Plus it would increase oil system capacity by a quart or more which is a good thing in it's own right.
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anyone that tracks their 370Z will surely have to do what it takes to make a road-worthy car track-worthy. It doesn't make the 370Z any less of a car in the use it was intended for. Also, this is just one way to keep the cost down. Likely they [Nissan] asked themselves if it was needed for street operation. The answer is obviously no. It's not like it overheats on the highway or while idling at a long stoplight. The car wasn't rushed, and the sky isn't falling ontop of the 370. Sheesh.
After reading the link, the guy admits he doesn't have an oil cooler and is looking to pick up the Nissan/NISMO one...
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02-02-2009, 12:21 PM
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BTW, HR gets very hot as well. oil is @ 210 in normal traffic, and it hit 240 on a "mountain run"
last time i was at a track, i did not have the oil temp gauge, so i don't even wana know how high it get there.....
the only thing that comforts me is that i ran motul 10w40 at the track...
last time i was at a track, i did not have the oil temp gauge, so i don't even wana know how high it get there.....
the only thing that comforts me is that i ran motul 10w40 at the track...
