350zhr vs 370z acceleration
I just watched the video again, and the guy did not give up. He got cut off by the other Z that came in with much more speed into that turn and slowed down much later and almost missed the turn. The 370z had no where to go when this happened.
You admit the 370z has better gearing, so the motor isn't all to praise for it's better acceleration and drag times. The same gear ratios in a 350z HR could possibly take .2 seconds off amirite?
Yeah, it was just a bit of late braking...
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This is a thread that will end up causing more problems than anything else.
But since it's here, I will put in my two cents.
I have now driven a 6 speed 370Z, which happened to be yellow.
My impressions were that the 370Z handles better, brakes better, shifts better with the Synchro Rev Match, and accelerates better than mine did when it was stock by a little bit. I still estimate the difference to be about 2/10ths+ better, and up to 2+ mph faster on the trap.
Now only a track will confirm this, but keep in mind that I am talking about stock versus stock with similar miles.
My HR has gotten noticably faster with miles, over 54K now, and it feels a little quicker than the stock 370Z I drove, but my HR did not feel quite as quick when it was new. The 370Z will also get stronger with miles though, so I expect to see quicker times with VERY good driving during excellent conditions.
The 370Z feels pretty close, with only break in miles, to my HR with 54K, but still just a little bit slower. If the 370Z had 54K miles, I am sure it would feel noticably faster, as mine does now, compared to when it had low miles.
If someone wants to let me drive their 370Z at the track, I am sure I can post better numbers than I could with my HR, with similar miles and conditions, by at least a couple of tenths.
That said, I love my HR, and it is still a very attractive excellent handling, and fast Z, so I won't be trading anytime soon. The 370Z is, overall, a better car though, especially in the interior and handling department. Yes, it is a little bit faster too. I still wish it had put out a little more power though. The HR is definitely underrated though. I plan on taking mine to the dyno soon so I can see how close mine is to the same output, stock, versus another local HR that put down 290 rwhp.
But since it's here, I will put in my two cents.
I have now driven a 6 speed 370Z, which happened to be yellow.
My impressions were that the 370Z handles better, brakes better, shifts better with the Synchro Rev Match, and accelerates better than mine did when it was stock by a little bit. I still estimate the difference to be about 2/10ths+ better, and up to 2+ mph faster on the trap.
Now only a track will confirm this, but keep in mind that I am talking about stock versus stock with similar miles.
My HR has gotten noticably faster with miles, over 54K now, and it feels a little quicker than the stock 370Z I drove, but my HR did not feel quite as quick when it was new. The 370Z will also get stronger with miles though, so I expect to see quicker times with VERY good driving during excellent conditions.
The 370Z feels pretty close, with only break in miles, to my HR with 54K, but still just a little bit slower. If the 370Z had 54K miles, I am sure it would feel noticably faster, as mine does now, compared to when it had low miles.
If someone wants to let me drive their 370Z at the track, I am sure I can post better numbers than I could with my HR, with similar miles and conditions, by at least a couple of tenths.
That said, I love my HR, and it is still a very attractive excellent handling, and fast Z, so I won't be trading anytime soon. The 370Z is, overall, a better car though, especially in the interior and handling department. Yes, it is a little bit faster too. I still wish it had put out a little more power though. The HR is definitely underrated though. I plan on taking mine to the dyno soon so I can see how close mine is to the same output, stock, versus another local HR that put down 290 rwhp.
Last edited by VeeTec; Mar 30, 2009 at 03:27 PM.
This is a thread that will end up causing more problems than anything else.
But since it's here, I will put in my two cents.
I have now driven a 6 speed 370Z, which happened to be yellow.
My impressions were that the 370Z handles better, brakes better, shifts better with the Synchro Rev Match, and accelerates better than mine did when it was stock by a little bit. I still estimate the difference to be about 2/10ths+ better, and up to 2+ mph faster on the trap.
Now only a track will confirm this, but keep in mind that I am talking about stock versus stock with similar miles.
My HR has gotten noticably faster with miles, over 54K now, and it feels a little quicker than the stock 370Z I drove, but my HR did not feel quite as quick when it was new. The 370Z will also get stronger with miles though, so I expect to see quicker times with VERY good driving during excellent conditions.
The 370Z feels pretty close, with only break in miles, to my HR with 54K, but still just a little bit slower. If the 370Z had 54K miles, I am sure it would feel noticably faster, as mine does now, compared to when it had low miles.
If someone wants to let me drive their 370Z at the track, I am sure I can post better numbers than I could with my HR, with similar miles and conditions, by at least a couple of tenths.
That said, I love my HR, and it is still a very attractive excellent handling, and fast Z, so I won't be trading anytime soon. The 370Z is, overall, a better car though, especially in the interior and handling department. Yes, it is a little bit faster too. I still wish it had put out a little more power though. The HR is definitely underrated though. I plan on taking mine to the dyno soon so I can see how close mine is to the same output, stock, versus another local HR that put down 290 rwhp.
But since it's here, I will put in my two cents.
I have now driven a 6 speed 370Z, which happened to be yellow.
My impressions were that the 370Z handles better, brakes better, shifts better with the Synchro Rev Match, and accelerates better than mine did when it was stock by a little bit. I still estimate the difference to be about 2/10ths+ better, and up to 2+ mph faster on the trap.
Now only a track will confirm this, but keep in mind that I am talking about stock versus stock with similar miles.
My HR has gotten noticably faster with miles, over 54K now, and it feels a little quicker than the stock 370Z I drove, but my HR did not feel quite as quick when it was new. The 370Z will also get stronger with miles though, so I expect to see quicker times with VERY good driving during excellent conditions.
The 370Z feels pretty close, with only break in miles, to my HR with 54K, but still just a little bit slower. If the 370Z had 54K miles, I am sure it would feel noticably faster, as mine does now, compared to when it had low miles.
If someone wants to let me drive their 370Z at the track, I am sure I can post better numbers than I could with my HR, with similar miles and conditions, by at least a couple of tenths.
That said, I love my HR, and it is still a very attractive excellent handling, and fast Z, so I won't be trading anytime soon. The 370Z is, overall, a better car though, especially in the interior and handling department. Yes, it is a little bit faster too. I still wish it had put out a little more power though. The HR is definitely underrated though. I plan on taking mine to the dyno soon so I can see how close mine is to the same output, stock, versus another local HR that put down 290 rwhp.
orly? i guess i must present my case Arnold Tool.
here is the glorious solo350z in denial
"Last I checked the 3.7L hasn't ran any faster times than the HR 350z.
And the 370Z does weigh more not less."
yes it has, C&D ran the HR at 13.7 @ 104mph while the 370 ran a 13.5 @ 106
how can a car with getter gearing, around the same weight or less and with more horsepower not be faster? its just dumb not to realize this.
next case. solo posts this in a thread where sharif posted gains on a 370z with exhaust and hfc's. Sharif, who has based lined many HR's stated that the HR's normally dyno 235whp stock on his dyno while VQ37HR dyno 250 to 255whp. read as follows.
Originally Posted by SOLO-350Z
"I like facts, and the fact is the 370z is NOT faster than the 350z HR.
Fact is the 370z makes only 10 more rwhp than the 350z HR."
next case: solo for some reason thinks that the 370 is a pig and weighs more than a 350z. the sports packaged 370z weighed in at that not the base model. dont try to fluff up the 370z's weight.
When has a 350z weighed more than 3350 lb? Please tell me. That is the base weight of the 370z.
The base model has been weight in at around 3250, ive even seen some listed slightly under that from their tests. google it, its not hard to find.
next case, where he embellishes the HR's performance:
"The HRs ran mid 13s in the mags."
NO IT DID NOT, Both Car and Driver and Road and Track ran 13.7's in the HR.
Motortrend had the HR at 13.5 103.9 vs 13.3 @ 105.7 for the 370. so one out of the three major mags actually managed to his mid 13.5's but thats like me saying the 370 ran low 13 mag times even though 13.5 seems like more of the norm.
if you want to read more of his foolery go here. he jumps into a cayman vs 370 thread and just bashes and down plays the 370's good showing vs the cayman. im not the only one who questions this guys posts. https://my350z.com/forum/2009-370z/4...ml#post7018925
according to solo: Nismo 350z > Errrthang.
oh solo your car weaksauce man, 276whp with breathing mods and a tune on a dynojet? 291whp on the heartbreaker dyno dynamics with exhaust and hfc's would eat your car alive. https://my350z.com/forum/vq35hr/4032...ml#post7006845
another example of the 350z HR > Errthang from solo
"Yep load of crap if it was a E46. If it was a new one then I still doubt it. Tell them to watch out the 07+ HR 350z because they are just as fast as their precious e46 M3."
are you fkn kidding me?? lol, d00d since you're so hung up on magazine times. about a Car and Driver quarter mile from a E46 M3, 13.1 @ 107mph bone stock.
ok im done. for the record, i have never bashed the HR motor itself, just solo who makes zero sense, contradicts himself and for some stupid goes out of his way to down, bash and hate on the 370 for whatever reason. my responses to him were for his ridiculous claims and to hate on the HR motor or its owners. ok, i did hate on the people who agreed with his non sense posts.
here is the glorious solo350z in denial
"Last I checked the 3.7L hasn't ran any faster times than the HR 350z.
And the 370Z does weigh more not less."
yes it has, C&D ran the HR at 13.7 @ 104mph while the 370 ran a 13.5 @ 106
how can a car with getter gearing, around the same weight or less and with more horsepower not be faster? its just dumb not to realize this.
next case. solo posts this in a thread where sharif posted gains on a 370z with exhaust and hfc's. Sharif, who has based lined many HR's stated that the HR's normally dyno 235whp stock on his dyno while VQ37HR dyno 250 to 255whp. read as follows.
Originally Posted by SOLO-350Z
"I like facts, and the fact is the 370z is NOT faster than the 350z HR.
Fact is the 370z makes only 10 more rwhp than the 350z HR."
next case: solo for some reason thinks that the 370 is a pig and weighs more than a 350z. the sports packaged 370z weighed in at that not the base model. dont try to fluff up the 370z's weight.
When has a 350z weighed more than 3350 lb? Please tell me. That is the base weight of the 370z.
The base model has been weight in at around 3250, ive even seen some listed slightly under that from their tests. google it, its not hard to find.
next case, where he embellishes the HR's performance:
"The HRs ran mid 13s in the mags."
NO IT DID NOT, Both Car and Driver and Road and Track ran 13.7's in the HR.
Motortrend had the HR at 13.5 103.9 vs 13.3 @ 105.7 for the 370. so one out of the three major mags actually managed to his mid 13.5's but thats like me saying the 370 ran low 13 mag times even though 13.5 seems like more of the norm.
if you want to read more of his foolery go here. he jumps into a cayman vs 370 thread and just bashes and down plays the 370's good showing vs the cayman. im not the only one who questions this guys posts. https://my350z.com/forum/2009-370z/4...ml#post7018925
according to solo: Nismo 350z > Errrthang.
oh solo your car weaksauce man, 276whp with breathing mods and a tune on a dynojet? 291whp on the heartbreaker dyno dynamics with exhaust and hfc's would eat your car alive. https://my350z.com/forum/vq35hr/4032...ml#post7006845
another example of the 350z HR > Errthang from solo
"Yep load of crap if it was a E46. If it was a new one then I still doubt it. Tell them to watch out the 07+ HR 350z because they are just as fast as their precious e46 M3."
are you fkn kidding me?? lol, d00d since you're so hung up on magazine times. about a Car and Driver quarter mile from a E46 M3, 13.1 @ 107mph bone stock.
ok im done. for the record, i have never bashed the HR motor itself, just solo who makes zero sense, contradicts himself and for some stupid goes out of his way to down, bash and hate on the 370 for whatever reason. my responses to him were for his ridiculous claims and to hate on the HR motor or its owners. ok, i did hate on the people who agreed with his non sense posts.
Dude, seriously... I've seen every "car" magazine come up with different 1/4 mile times for the SAME car let alone two different ones... as others have mentioned, in a comparison THIS SIMILAR, the driver determines the ultimate outcome. Regardless, we're all Z fans.. don't matter what motor's in the chassis.
370 was made to be a better car and is an improvement over the 350.. what's the argument here? Lol fanboys ftl.. and Z33s and Z34s are similar in weight, one has a bigger motor / more power, and better gearing.. nuff said
btw solo weighed his car with half a tank of gas at 3325, although with some parts and what not.. but half a tank = 60-70lbs lighter
https://my350z.com/forum/5453777-post1.html
had a few items in his car still, but that does not make up for 60-70lbs of gasoline
btw solo weighed his car with half a tank of gas at 3325, although with some parts and what not.. but half a tank = 60-70lbs lighter
https://my350z.com/forum/5453777-post1.html
had a few items in his car still, but that does not make up for 60-70lbs of gasoline
Last edited by itsjiggajames; Mar 30, 2009 at 03:57 PM.
Half a tank. Ok I forgot how much I had in there. hehe.
370 was made to be a better car and is an improvement over the 350.. what's the argument here? Lol fanboys ftl.. and Z33s and Z34s are similar in weight, one has a bigger motor / more power, and better gearing.. nuff said
btw solo weighed his car with half a tank of gas at 3325, although with some parts and what not.. but half a tank = 60-70lbs lighter
https://my350z.com/forum/5453777-post1.html
had a few items in his car still, but that does not make up for 60-70lbs of gasoline
btw solo weighed his car with half a tank of gas at 3325, although with some parts and what not.. but half a tank = 60-70lbs lighter
https://my350z.com/forum/5453777-post1.html
had a few items in his car still, but that does not make up for 60-70lbs of gasoline
a) Dyno numbers that show Z34s make more power than Z33s with the HR
b) mag times that show it's faster
c) On paper the specs show it's physical capabilities exceed a Z33
d) Shorter gearing
e) ??????????
Solo, if you had a Z34 you'd be bashing Z33s saying how fast Z34s are... lets be realistic.
BTW.. if we dropped a VQ37VHR motor into your Z.. with shorter gears, would you be faster or slower?
Last edited by itsjiggajames; Mar 30, 2009 at 06:03 PM.
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that doesnt justify me selling my 350 for the 370...
ill wait for the 370zTT
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what I don't understand is how the 370z loose ground during the hard braking at the end of the front straight... could be that he was "waiting" or, IMHO more likely.. there weren't good race pads for the akebono brakes and the other two are using racing pads for the brembos.
The 370Z had a clear power advantage, but switch drivers and the outcome could change. And if the 350Zs did not come up upon traffic, they could have possibly have held off the 370Z. Also on a smaller circuit without such a long straight, the outcome would be different as well.
Oh and stock for stock, the 370Z is simply a faster car. Not sure what the argument is about.
Solo,
Do you think that Nissan would make future models slower than the current model?
I dont think any car company has a crazy scheme to where they make their newer models slower and less sporty...
I can see it now... "Lets release the Z34, but make it as slower than the Z33, uglier, and heavier.. muahahaha. Then lets charge alot more money for it!" Actually most of that is true... now that I think about it, if it was slower, it wouldnt surprise me too much. wtf is going on here....
Do you think that Nissan would make future models slower than the current model?
I dont think any car company has a crazy scheme to where they make their newer models slower and less sporty...
I can see it now... "Lets release the Z34, but make it as slower than the Z33, uglier, and heavier.. muahahaha. Then lets charge alot more money for it!" Actually most of that is true... now that I think about it, if it was slower, it wouldnt surprise me too much. wtf is going on here....
Think for a minute. THEY HAVE.
300zx TT vs 350z.