You got to be joking, 260Z a classic compared to a 240Z. To be blunt, the 260Z and 280Z that followed were worse versions of the 240Z's classic lines. The 260Z's carbs were a problem. Like so many times, the manufacture listens to consumer complaints & turns a performance car into a softer, milder, heavier version of the original. I will give you the 280Z's fuel injection was superior but it comes down to changing of technology & era the car was built.

You cannot blame the 350Z for not being classic in your mind because from what i can see how you determine this is by age therefore no car can be classic until it is 20+ years old.

Regarding the 370Z; a number of people feel the 370Z is inferior in some ways (headlights, tail lights etc. ) so that is their opinion. For me, the shorten portion just does not flow well. Many people bought Z's because of the way they look so if they dont like the looks of the 370Z, it might prevent them from buying it. I have seen so many Z owners give credit to STI's etc for performance but state they would not buy one because of their looks. I do not think most people argue that the 370Z has performance improvements (hp, handling) and most do not argue that it has a nicer interior (I, for one, really felt the 350Z interior was cheap & disjointed looking with a mix of materials that do not compliment each other & hard surfaces that rattle). Again, for me, these improvements are not enough to make me want to buy one & have car payments again. Now if they offered a 400hp+ TT option, I would do it in a heartbeat in spite of the styling. Sadly, IMO they were off the mark on the exterior design just as I felt they were on the GT-R.

Likewise, I think you will find a number of G35 owners that dislike the styling of the G37. Personally, I think the G37 looks better but most many dont.

 

I didn't say the 260/280 were the equals or better than the 240, I simply listed all of them because they are the only Z's period that could even be thought of as being classic. This link http://www.diseno-art.com/encycloped...tsun_240z.html
captures how I feel about the 240/260/280's perfectly. The 240Z is a classic car because of what it achieved after it was released (which the link discusses). This link http://www.classiccarpartsgiant.com/ captures how I view the 260/280Zs in that anything over 25 years old can be considered a classic car and that you can't even begin to discuss the merits of a vehicle being iconic until at least that much time passes so you can see how it's now regarded after the passage of time. That's why anyone posting about the 350Z being a classic car is sooooo funny to me because it's not anywhere close to garnering such status. It didn't break any ground that prior Z's and other cars hadn't already broke when it was released (not many cars do nowadays) and we don't know how the public will view it and how it will be thought of in the future. In 20 years or so will the 350Z be thought of as just another affordable, fun, foreign-made two door coupe (like the Mitsubishi Eclipse) or will it be thought of in the same light as the 240Z for some reason? We don't know yet. What we do know is that the Z line as a whole can be thought of as an Iconic car nameplate due to it's long history and heritage but only a few are presently considered to be "classic cars" on their own merits.

You're right, many people bought the 350Z because they liked it but many people didn't by a 350Z because they didn't like it enough(I'm one of those many). Many people wouldn't trade their 350Zs in for a 370Z (I wouldn't either if I had a 350Z) but at the same time many people (again, I'm one of them) didn't even consider getting a 350Z but are now going to get or have already gotten the 370Z. The 350Z was lacking in too many areas (starting with it's looks) and didn't offer the kind of refinement I was looking for. To me the 370Z offers the styling (both exterior and interior-wise) that I'm looking for along with refinements that make it worthy of being added to my garage unlike the 350Z. This site gives many people the perception that the majority of people don't like the 370Z's looks but that is simply not true. Go to the dedicated 370Z site if you want another viewpoint on how people feel about it's looks. Many of those people over there are like me, they never bought a 350Z but feel the 370Z is an improvement in every way and bought one.

 

I stand corrected. I thought it was 4.7 but I got it confused with the 370z.

 

I think the front end looks pretty sick but the back end of the car looks like they chopped up an entirely different concept and welded it on there.

 

I did the exact same thing. It was like the perfect entry point since sellers were under the illusion that the 370z would be better, I got fantastic pricing on my 350z and, IMHO, a far superior car.

 

true

 

from a dig

 

http://www.caranddriver.com/buying_g...take_road_test
Facts
Who here has a 350z stock faster than this, with time slips to prove it? And if there is, is there more than 1 person who can do it?

And as for the solo's statement of a nismo handles better. I believe stock for stock the nismo probably handles better. But how much would it costs for the 370z to handle better? Would all it take is springs? Would all it take is coilovers? Would all it take etc etc? I am assuming it would not take much.

I look at everything at a price point. my 370z costs 31,546 for Base m6 with sport package. Stillen Exhaust alone should bump me up to 350hp with ease, thats 1500 dollars right there.
So in my ricer math 31,546+1500 =33,046 Total spent on a 350hp z.

No idea what it would costs to get me to handle better than a nismo but i suspect its not much, i am guessing (please dont flame for my guess work) coilovers,springs, swaybars would put me to on par and probably better than 350z nismo handling. I would add these into the price of the car total but i dont know what they costs becuase i have not researched them yet.

As for looks, when i first saw the 370z in person i thought "what a stubby little b@tch" but after i saw it, i coudlnt get it out of my mind, finaly i said i am gonna sit in the b@stard and see what happens. It was like sitting in a better verison of my 05. Now when i see it, i am like wow it really does look beuatiful. But looks are subjective, and cant count towards the car. Theres some of us who would drive a VW bug at its normal price if it could trounce a corvette in quater mile and handle the same.


You guys can argue stock for stock all you want, i will argue price for price between the two z's. Reality is both are great cars. Some of you post what apears to be "hatefull" crap wich leads me to believe you dont realy like cars, you just like "mines better than yours".

 

^ just so you know Forrest80, that 13.1 @ 108 wasn't even done on a track. C&D used a GTECH type of device, nice try.

 

^^ Yep and with a device that uses GPS but not a track timing system.

 

BTW, hold off on the Stillen 370Z exhaust for awhile, they rub all over the place - I drove and heard it myself: http://www.zcarblog.com/category/370z. Oh, and spend another 100 bucks or so for an intake. Coupled together, they are making good power (to the tune of 300rwhp):

 

ok i did not know that about the GPS device. So i will not consider that as "valid".

Then will you accept this then?http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=137806
Is there alot of stock Z's doing that? I believe there is 6 in our own drag results on this forum with times close or better than that.

Also Edmunds must be stupid when they said this?
I cant really understand why most of you are in denial of the new z.

So as i see it, its "faster" and handles better than a 350z. With little extra money im gonna go on record and say it handles better than a nimso with simple suspension modifications.

 

Hrmm, not sure how that is possible. I'm an average driver and still managed to pull a mid 12's in the 1/4 with my Vette, when it was stock. Not much traction issue there.

With intake/tune/DR's, I'm getting high 11's/low 12's and no traction issues.

BTW, what mods do you have?

 

I wouldn't say that until you actually accomplish it.

 

i'm sure he's not gonna list them..i called bs b4 and now i'm calling it even more. I have a c6 and i know all of what u are talking about my friend.

 

Im saying it.

Im saying it will be accomplished.

Im saying you will change your tune, once time goes on.

 

^ ok , i could really care less if it does end up handling better than a NISMO 350Z, I'll more than likely be purchasing a NISMO 370Z next summer anyways.

 

And you know what, the Nismo 370z is going to be a great car just like your nismo 350z. Both are extremly nice cars.

 

It's not really about denial of the new Z's capabilities IMO, it's about the overall package and looks in light of a mild performance difference.

You can take almost any car that has a decent foundation and make it faster or handle better. It is MUCH harder to make a car look the way you want it to.

Would you date an average girl that can cook, or a drop-dead sexy girl that doesn't cook so well but is willing to learn (and is easily teachable)?

People are dismissing the looks as merely opinion and jumping on the 'performance fact' bandwagon, but realistically it is not that hard to make a 350z faster than a 370z. Between the two I think opinion is a much bigger factor than the small difference in stock performance.

 

^wow. talk about amazing. IM even shocked. that the best way to put it that i have EVER heard. end all 350 vs 370 looks battles right there.
its so true because its not hard to match a 350z handling or have the small power difference of a 370. so it all come down to looks and thats the one thats really hard to change. i mean u can add body kits all day but its still the same body style for the most part.
any car in this class can push 330 hp with the right stuff (lets not get into that to much)
but no car with any body kit or parts will look like another cars potential look. < sorry u may have to read that twice over.

the 370z is not a god and neither is the 350z.
there is no reason why somewith a 350z cant do the same thing the nissan did and buy some frame braces and probally a few suspension mods here and there and turn just like the 370. same with the engine. add a few internal mods here and there and there you go. (dont flame the generalities since this is still a new subject i cant really say what someone would need to achieve the hp. maybe they can bore it out just like nissan did.)