GTR transmission failure!
10-09-2008, 10:50 AM
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So would everyone be just dandy if Nissan had eliminated the possibility of turning VDC off or using LC in the first place?
The ONLY difference in the car would be fewer options available. I would rather have the ability to do stupid things with my car if I want, but choose not to, or accept the consequences if I do.
Nissan clearly states that turning VDC off will void any resulting damage, and never advertises the LC. But they opted to give owners the ability to do this anyway at their own risk. It boggles me that people are talking lawsuits over doing something the owner's manual outright tells you not to do.
The ONLY difference in the car would be fewer options available. I would rather have the ability to do stupid things with my car if I want, but choose not to, or accept the consequences if I do.
Nissan clearly states that turning VDC off will void any resulting damage, and never advertises the LC. But they opted to give owners the ability to do this anyway at their own risk. It boggles me that people are talking lawsuits over doing something the owner's manual outright tells you not to do.
10-09-2008, 06:15 PM
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Yes, this design flaw may be my one way to get my hands on a GTR
I really dont understand why Nissan would treat buyers of their Supercar like this, this isnt a Versa
I really dont understand why Nissan would treat buyers of their Supercar like this, this isnt a Versa
10-09-2008, 06:57 PM
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The iPhone is only $200. Not $100k! I lose $200, oh well, I'll recover. Screw me over for $20k and it's a different story.
Nissan really is showing their true colours on this one. Unreal. Who cares if it's first gen or not. To not warranty the vehicle due to poor manufacturing is NOT ACCEPTABLE! Nissan S U C K S. Proper R&D should be provided prior to release any product to the masses, but even there some issues come out. How many issues has there been with the first gen e46 or e90 M3's? And any issues that have come out of the wood-work have been handled through warranty. Calling people suckers for buying first gen products is not cool. Nothing is wrong with having faith in a company or it's products, especially with a company who has a fairly good track record.
It's not that they failed in the production of the car, that happens as we all know... it's how they are not owning up to their responsibilities to the consumers. Further more I find if extremely difficult that they didn't break some transmissions during development. "Oh boss, we broke another tranny". I would flag that as a "RED LIGHT". But no, the boss says "That is because you activated the Vehicle Damage Computer, let's keep it there but screw people over who use it."
Again, Nissan has really dropped the ball by not fixing this issue. I feel sad for those of us who had faith in this company to do the right thing. We are the suckers.
10-09-2008, 09:18 PM
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Well that may be true. But lets be honest guys, most of the people in this forum are used to driving vehicles that dont have the dynamics of cars such as a GT-R. if you tune a 350Z to 400hp and blow out your clutch, you can directly attribute that to the fact that the clutch was not designed from the factory to withstand that so you cant really blame it. Most other cars that perform in the same realm as the GT-R also have significant problems. Have you ever driven a corvette with over 20,000 miles, they rattle themselves apart (and please, any vette drivers, please dont respond by telling me your crazy horsepower ratings that have withstood a million miles of hard driving). 10 launches at a time is a lot of launches. 10 launches is alot. And guys, we are paying the money for this car for the consistency at which it reaches these numbers. Most people pay attention to the fastest 0-60 or 1/4 mile times. But if you really read the numbers. They may hvae done 5 launches in lets say a Porsche Turbo, and gotten anywhere from 3.5 to 4.5 0-60, so the cars are not performing at as high a level as consistently. AWD cars are VERY hard and automatic transmissions with the level of shift speed that the GT-R has. In race mode, your next clutch is spinning over 1,000 RPM's higher than it will engage at, so it is literally dropping the clutch every time the car is driven hard. Just stuff to keep in mind guys.....
10-09-2008, 09:20 PM
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So would everyone be just dandy if Nissan had eliminated the possibility of turning VDC off or using LC in the first place?
The ONLY difference in the car would be fewer options available. I would rather have the ability to do stupid things with my car if I want, but choose not to, or accept the consequences if I do.
Nissan clearly states that turning VDC off will void any resulting damage, and never advertises the LC. But they opted to give owners the ability to do this anyway at their own risk. It boggles me that people are talking lawsuits over doing something the owner's manual outright tells you not to do.
The ONLY difference in the car would be fewer options available. I would rather have the ability to do stupid things with my car if I want, but choose not to, or accept the consequences if I do.
Nissan clearly states that turning VDC off will void any resulting damage, and never advertises the LC. But they opted to give owners the ability to do this anyway at their own risk. It boggles me that people are talking lawsuits over doing something the owner's manual outright tells you not to do.
10-09-2008, 09:39 PM
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This is all over my BMW forums, they are having a field day over there trying to find something to call crap on Nissan for, and low and behold this tranny issue comes up.
10-09-2008, 10:58 PM
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10-10-2008, 05:48 AM
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Sorry to say guys, but it is done in all race mode. All of the testing has been done in all race mode, and launch control is done in all race mode as well. Go to the source and check it out, I'm sure you will find the right answer there. Supercars are never perfect, they have there issues just like every other car. Transmissions dont magically fail, like i said before, the person i know whose failed did 35 launches before the break in period was even done, how can you expect a transmission or any part to hold up when it is treated like crap before the car is even broken in. Mine on the other hand was broken in (as best i could) and i have been problem free. Its easy to pile on a car that intimidates other manufacturers. Do yourselves a favor and look up Ferrari's launch control system, and not the crappy one they bring to America, the one that works like the GT-R's (in Europe). You get 5 launches (thats right, half of the GT-R's) and then at that point you are told by them that a new clutch is REQUIRED!!!! Nobody seems to talk about that amongst all of this. And as for the Vette, show me that launch control, or show me a guy who can hit 3.5 every time, you wont find either one......
10-10-2008, 07:32 AM
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To my knowledge there is no vehicle, regardless of price, that can withstand taking it's components to the max design limits consistently without having an eventual component failure, all the while still expecting long term reliability in the process? What really was to be gained by so many launches. The number of launches stated is probably more than it was designed to handle in it's lifetime. My survey says.....owner abuse.
10-10-2008, 07:34 AM
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how is that a plus? second hand owners will be SOL with a car that is destined to fail its transmission. you NEED that warranty to get you those transmission rebuilds and maintenance. I for one would NOT want to be a second hand owner of a car that is a ticking time bomb for a $20K transmission failure...think about it
MSRP - total depreciation - $20,000 for transmission replacement for the future - inconvenience fee = selling price of a used GTR.
...it's not going to be high, I'll let you know that much right now.
10-10-2008, 08:04 AM
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