Boomer

I stand corrected. The "Audio Pilot" is the cause of the "overboosted bass" we have been bitching about. I have a copy of the SB in my hot little hands. The Replacement Amp is the fix for overboosted bass and the variability of the audio "compensation" device. How many of us have issues after having the amp replaced and what are they? Is this the issue you were referring to in cryptic symbology, Grogsnorf?

I realize I'm entering the fray a little late, but I am as serious as any of you about the Touring Bose sytem in the 350Z. I have in the past or do now own 5 Bose systems. The only one that sounds terrible is the 6 Disc CD and Radio system in my 350Z! What does Nissan/Bose/Clarion intend to do if the system still sounds terrible after the amp fix? Grogsnorf, if you have the replacement amp, what is wrong now?

tbob has a response from Bose saying there is an anomaly in the system's performance they are continuing to work on. Why are we going to war with litigators blazing? Should we not wait a reasonable period of time, 30-45 days, countdown begins now,12/12/2002 for Bose to diagnose the problem again and offer a final solution?

Litigation will freeze this process in place, will it not, members who are lawyers? If that is the case, all remedial work will cease until the lawsuit gets Bose to admit culpability, even with the communique tbob got, won't it? If they are working on a fix and we want to sue them to fix the system, aren't we being Redundant?

I think we should give them 30-45 days to repair/replace the Bose system. If they are non-responsive after that period, then take any and all means to change our Sound System situation for the better. What do the rest of you think?

Boomer-sorry to be late, listening to the Z's engine music has been my obsession lately.

MustGoFastR

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Well said, Boomer.

grogsnorf

My dealer still does not believe there is a prob...I will be back there tomorrow...again...and I know I have probs.....but I am not tone deaf........................................................ ...I contacted Bose,
I contacted Nissan....I give up!
forget everything I wrote............I am rippin it out!!!!!!!!!!
Thanx for all your thoughts fellas..............I have owned many Bose systems also..........this one is bogus.............To check my wappers, I had my friend who is a well know sound engineer (won a Grammy) listen to the FM and CD on a cruz........It was like torture to him......so he pointed me down the right path.....He said "you can't have this system in a car like this"
The light bulb went off in my head, and the lights in the Bose will go out.

Grogs is now mute on the subject.
Thanx again, and Good Luck with your cars.

MustGoFastR

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Grogsnorf:
I would at least maybe try a different dealer. The one you went to must be an ***. Hunt up the TSB here on the board, print it out and take it with you. That is simply unacceptable from a dealer. Good luck.

Boomer

I would echo the previous post, please go to another dealer with the SB in hand, not all dealers are ********.

Boomer

qirex

it wont sound liuke a 1000w system but it sounds pretty good after the fix.

regarding the whole "bass" issue - I notice that tracks that HAVE lots of bass play that way - the system doesnt really let you "EQ" the CD/source.

Stuff with no bass....doesnt really get much more even on +5.

however, the clarity and power is greatly perceptible post-fix.

The Z is a 2-seater. WHy should it have a stereo setup like a 4 seater. PPL complain that the faded rear speakers osund muddy...well they ARE mid-range drivers ONLY!!

grogsnorf

I brought the TSB in, spoke to the Service Mgr....spoke to the head tech..............unreal........going back today.............had them check the sound and pulling to the right......they found nothing..I found 30 extra miles on my car........they tried to fix streaky windows...now I have streaky windows and screeeeeeeeechy windows..........now it sounds like my wife whining in my ear......from now on..I will have to take a day off and baby sit this these guys...............f the bose...........new system soon as get my bonus.............
Thanx

BFG10

That's what always scares me...that the service techs have no idea what they are doing and they only make matters worse.

What dealership are you going to?

hobbins

If Bose and Nissan admit there is a problem, and if anyone who ordered the product that has the problem is not willing to purchase the problem, then why not postpone the delivery until the problem is solved? Such an action on a large scale would help everyone with this issue. If you already have the car just keep voicing any dissatisfaction you may have or Nissan will not do anything. Also, the Lemon Laws may apply here, no?

onecoolee

Not to complain, as I know people are beating this whole issue into the ground...BUT!

I am unhappy with my Bose system. The only part that seems to actually have been done correctly is the integration into the NAV. The stereo flat out sucks. The speakers are cheap, paper jobbies, good for a year, maybe 2 at most. The amp is medicre at best and the clarion head unit is essentially a featureless in dash changer. Now, for a stock system, its ok...but not worth what I paid for it.

My biggest complaint is the volume and bass level fluctuations and my VIN is outside the VIN's stated in the TSB. My volume does fluctuate, and my bass gets overboosted, and levels increase/dcrease on their own. I feel like my stereo is posessed...the sound with CD's is bearable, and actually pleasant on a few tracks I have listened to, but in general nothing special as I feel the sub is crossed over somewhat high. There is no "thump" and the sub does not "Hit" to put things in laymans terms. The FM stereo is disgusting and not pleasant to listen to at all due to the fluctuations. It sounds like its better to not change out the amp, or compalin b/c what I have may be repalced with something that I have absolutely no control over at all...at least my bass and treble level controls work now and do make a difference.

I am curious as to whether anyone else is experiencing Audiopilot issues and has a vin ouside the ones specified by the TSB...

MustGoFastR

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Hmm... Only thing I could suggest is that you tear into your back end and check the manufacture date of the amp. It is on a sticker on the amp itself. How far outside of te TSB VIN range is your car? Maybe a few of the older amps still slipped through after the TSB. I'd contact Steven at NNA (350Z problems specialist) and see what he can do for you. His number is: 1-800-647-7261 ext. 3866.

onecoolee

5908

a few hundred outside of the TSB range. I have not checked th edata code on the amp as of yet, but as I start doing some mods I will check it out. I may give Steve a ring and see what he says...

hobbins

Does anyone know how the sound enhancement is supposed to work? Is it a frequency cancellation (as in noise cancelling headsets that use active phase shifting) or a frequency/volume compensation (simply raising the amplitude of the frequencies picked up by the microphone)? Or maybe some other method?

Other than the problem of uncontrollable volume and/or base/treble, does it seem to actually make a difference compared to the non-touring sound system (if anyone has had a chance to compare)?

Also, any suggestions on how to best check out the sound system before accepting delivery? What do I look for and how long does it take before the problem is likely to show up?

onecoolee

See the very first post in this thread as it explains how the Audiopilot compensation technology is supposed to work...

ppmar

If you think mid bass is muddy by nature then you are using the wrong amps and components! What amp do you have that is 500 watts? Few offshore amps truly give you 500 watts. An amp needs to be able to provide an ample amount of amperage to live up to wattage claims.

Also damping factor affects mid bass quality. This is the ability of the amp to control the speaker. Look for #s over 150 @ 20-20K not just at 1 K.
If your amp says its 500 watts at 1k its not 500 watts. Mid bass should be tight and accurate. Install and quality of components are important.

JCat

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In 1940 the big three automakers offered CLOCKS in the dashboard. These were cheap analog clocks and never lasted more than 6 months before failing. Anyone older than 30 on this forum will remember cars with non-working clocks. Anyway, with the invention of digital clocks, this became less of a problem.

My Bose radio died after 6 months of use. My tranny died after 8 months.

These are not acceptable modern day statistics for radio's and tranmissions!