The Tire DB - Posts about Track and AutoX tire brands
10-23-2008, 12:59 PM
#521
Even this year, with the very loose interpretation of the rules, there was plenty of competition in all classes.
And next year will be MUCH tighter, as the rules make a lot more sense, there is more meaninful class differentiation, and most importantly, they have additional support and tech staff to insure all cars are teched and properly classified. I am not really looking for MORE rules and restrictions, but rather, some better enforcement of existing rules. I don't ever want the RTA rulebook to turn into a NASA or SCCA bible of rules.
There is a lot of creativity, and flexibility in RTA, and that is why a lot of teams and shops compete there. This was our first season doing it, and definately will be back next year.
One last note, is that I think we ALL tend to get caught up, in how powerful our equipment is, or what tires we are running, suspension/aero setup, and complain when other teams are faster than us. But at the end of the day, 85% of this boils down to the driver, and the track. Each one of us probably has several seconds of lap time improvement, simply by gaining seatime and familiarity with a given track. This isn't Formula 1 where the top 10 drivers are seperated by 2 tenths of a second. So instead of complaining about the other guy's equipment, the rules, or the percieved power advantage of one car over another...how about just driving what we have a little bit better? And guess what...on shorter tracks, that power and aero/setup advantage becomes smaller and smaller, almost to the point of not even being an issue.
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10-23-2008, 01:10 PM
#522
Even this year, with the very loose interpretation of the rules, there was plenty of competition in all classes.
And next year will be MUCH tighter, as the rules make a lot more sense, there is more meaninful class differentiation, and most importantly, they have additional support and tech staff to insure all cars are teched and properly classified. I am not really looking for MORE rules and restrictions, but rather, some better enforcement of existing rules. I don't ever want the RTA rulebook to turn into a NASA or SCCA bible of rules.
There is a lot of creativity, and flexibility in RTA, and that is why a lot of teams and shops compete there. This was our first season doing it, and definately will be back next year.
One last note, is that I think we ALL tend to get caught up, in how powerful our equipment is, or what tires we are running, suspension/aero setup, and complain when other teams are faster than us. But at the end of the day, 85% of this boils down to the driver, and the track. Each one of us probably has several seconds of lap time improvement, simply by gaining seatime and familiarity with a given track. This isn't Formula 1 where the top 10 drivers are seperated by 2 tenths of a second. So instead of complaining about the other guy's equipment, the rules, or the percieved power advantage of one car over another...how about just driving what we have a little bit better? And guess what...on shorter tracks, that power and aero/setup advantage becomes smaller and smaller, almost to the point of not even being an issue.
And next year will be MUCH tighter, as the rules make a lot more sense, there is more meaninful class differentiation, and most importantly, they have additional support and tech staff to insure all cars are teched and properly classified. I am not really looking for MORE rules and restrictions, but rather, some better enforcement of existing rules. I don't ever want the RTA rulebook to turn into a NASA or SCCA bible of rules.
There is a lot of creativity, and flexibility in RTA, and that is why a lot of teams and shops compete there. This was our first season doing it, and definately will be back next year.
One last note, is that I think we ALL tend to get caught up, in how powerful our equipment is, or what tires we are running, suspension/aero setup, and complain when other teams are faster than us. But at the end of the day, 85% of this boils down to the driver, and the track. Each one of us probably has several seconds of lap time improvement, simply by gaining seatime and familiarity with a given track. This isn't Formula 1 where the top 10 drivers are seperated by 2 tenths of a second. So instead of complaining about the other guy's equipment, the rules, or the percieved power advantage of one car over another...how about just driving what we have a little bit better? And guess what...on shorter tracks, that power and aero/setup advantage becomes smaller and smaller, almost to the point of not even being an issue.
10-23-2008, 01:32 PM
#523
There are really only a couple effective ways to reduce (not prevent) cheating in motorsports.
1. Claiming rules for engines, transmission, differentials, wheels/tires, and shocks.
2. Spec and sealed components with random swapping.
Protests and tech inspections are somewhat effective but are very imperfect.
1. Claiming rules for engines, transmission, differentials, wheels/tires, and shocks.
2. Spec and sealed components with random swapping.
Protests and tech inspections are somewhat effective but are very imperfect.
10-23-2008, 01:49 PM
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RTA are more of a way for professional shops and teams to compete and show off their projects, whereas NASA is much more in the spirit of grassroots racing. One caveat, however, is that NASA Nationals are much more geared towards teams and such, pretty similiar to RTA.
If you are really interested in doing time attack type events with a fun group of people, show up to the next NASA HPDE event and start your way through their licensing program (I'm assuming you haven't done so allready, if I am wrong, then please disregard)
10-23-2008, 02:15 PM
#525
Very true, but the extremes exist within the classes (still?). Clearly, my NA Z33 would not be competitive vs a 500rwhp Z33TT or my 650rwhp Z32TT in the same "street" class, as there is only one "legal" street vehicle given those 3. They need to figure out a way to make it fun and competitive, so more people will join in.
An NA 350Z got 1st or 2nd place..can't remember...in Street Class RWD in Nashville. I am pretty sure it was first place.
And Nashville had one of the larger turnouts.Believe me..next year will be a lot more competive, and there will be room for everyone to have a shot.
10-30-2008, 01:49 PM
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R-COMP TIRES, LESS SIDEWALL ?
i have been running this tire size, 285/35/19 rear and 265/35/19 front...street tire.
i have been thinking of going to the pirelli r-comp tire but will have to run 285/30/19 rear and 265/30/19.
with less side wall, will i have better steering response? less grip?
i have been thinking of going to the pirelli r-comp tire but will have to run 285/30/19 rear and 265/30/19.
with less side wall, will i have better steering response? less grip?
10-30-2008, 10:30 PM
#533
Ohhhhhh.... your sure to notice the diference between a set of street tires and the Corsa's. ABSOLUTELY NO DOUBT about that. You'll be amazed! As far as the sidewall difference... I don't think you'll notice anything either. To realize the full petential of breaking with these tires I recomend a track pad like the hawk DTC-70's.
10-31-2008, 04:18 AM
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you can pretty much get this stuff for the same price of the pzero corsa.
(the pzero corsa were quite popular with the porsche guys in italy and they are famous to explode at half tread for failure of the inner sidewall with 2.5/3 deg of front camber, the only advantage was the price there... almost half of the pilot sport cup)
10-31-2008, 04:23 AM
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[QUOTE=Ataru074;6497799]just wondering... why you don't get a set of el cheapo rims 18*9.5 and you put toyoR888 or nitto NT-01 275/35R18 all around?
you can pretty much get this stuff for the same price of the pzero corsa.
I think that is the route im going.......
you can pretty much get this stuff for the same price of the pzero corsa.
I think that is the route im going.......
10-31-2008, 09:56 AM
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just wondering... why you don't get a set of el cheapo rims 18*9.5 and you put toyoR888 or nitto NT-01 275/35R18 all around?
you can pretty much get this stuff for the same price of the pzero corsa.
(the pzero corsa were quite popular with the porsche guys in italy and they are famous to explode at half tread for failure of the inner sidewall with 2.5/3 deg of front camber, the only advantage was the price there... almost half of the pilot sport cup)
you can pretty much get this stuff for the same price of the pzero corsa.
(the pzero corsa were quite popular with the porsche guys in italy and they are famous to explode at half tread for failure of the inner sidewall with 2.5/3 deg of front camber, the only advantage was the price there... almost half of the pilot sport cup)
I also recommend buying an 18" set of wheels instead of running the 19's. Believe me, you'll save lots of $$$ in the long run.