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Old Oct 1, 2010 | 07:51 AM
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Nice, its about flippping time
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Old Oct 1, 2010 | 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by R350Zz33
ducting $18.33

spliter $15.47
sheet metal (enough to do this 3 times)$40.68
figure $10 in screws and hardware.
thats a final price of $84.48
I would love to see home depot brake ducting hold up to a real track event. My brakes will murder home depot ducting. You understand the ducting from home depot does not withstand the sheer heat the brakes will produce? We're talking about 1400 degrees and above. If you make brake ducts from home depot either 1) they won't work or 2) they'll fall apart before you finish your sessions.

Here's a spindle duct that we use (corvette guys).


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Old Oct 1, 2010 | 08:18 AM
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Anyone see a problem with fiberglass holding up that close to the rotor? I'm guessing yes but I'm not 100%. I was playing with an ideal a little eariler, but it was placed on the back burner when I was having trouble figuring out what to do with the sheild (keep or lose it). A friend said he would play with some CFD models and he never got around to building them.
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Old Oct 1, 2010 | 09:39 AM
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Well they would need to use a special resin when laying the CF that will resist the temps. Prepreg might also have higher temps, I can't remember.
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Old Oct 1, 2010 | 09:59 AM
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I looked around and this is right inline (if not cheaper) price-wise with all the other carbon spindle ducts/backing plates out on the market for other makes and models.

A couple of examples:

$280 for both driver and passenger sides without any brackets, hardware or hoses

http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/c...eyword=spindle



$299.95 for both driver and passenger sides brackets and hardware included but hoses are not with.

http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html..._ID=TBR3690212



Some additional examples:

http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html...&BackingPlates
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Old Oct 1, 2010 | 10:11 AM
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Rich,

Just for clarification these pieces are part of a different brake ducting kit that Nissan Motorsport offers?

https://my350z.com/forum/2238435-post10.html

If so would you happen to know it would mate up to the spindle ducts without any issues?
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Old Oct 1, 2010 | 03:54 PM
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Kwame, good on you for doing the research. Price wise, they're right in line with other carbon fiber solutions. Guys who track there car understand the value. There's always people that doesn't see it, and that's okay. These aren't for everyone.

I don't think carbon fiber ducts are meant to compete with a Home Depot solution in either qualiy, price, effectiveness or time to get working on your car. But I think it's great that people would try it.

These work in conjunction with the Nissan Motorsport hoses. We have our own custom solution to get the air from the front bumper (NISMO) to the rotor, so I can't speak to it.

And GT-Rob, these were made with pre-preg. I'll post some additional photos of the part so you can see it up close.
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Old Oct 1, 2010 | 04:05 PM
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I'm interested but I'd have to see photo's on how the ducting is routed to the trailing edge of the rotor. What's the issue with showing pictures of this? I just don't want to put ducts on that required massive tear-ups else where in order to get the ducting to those adapters that attach to the spindle.

I've routed ducting to the front or leading edge but it's not attached to the spindle so it doesn't keep the air tight to the rotor while turning. When I looked at getting air to the trailing edge I thought it was going to be close to impossible. I'll have to look this over again if you won't post pictures.

Can you confirm the work for full turning radius and full suspension travel? Any other significant mod's required to get the air to these parts?

Thanks.
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Old Oct 1, 2010 | 04:25 PM
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These look awesome, pricey but if they get the job done they're worth the savings in rotor/pad life.

How well would these work on stock calipers/rotors?
Also, is there a way to get air/cooling to the rear brakes using something similar to these, anyone done something similar (DIY) but for the rears?
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Old Oct 1, 2010 | 04:35 PM
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LOL @ some of the comments here. This is obviously not a show car item. They are for cars that really run on the track. If you're concerned about the price, then follow the suggestions about making your own on the cheap. Here's some DIYs...

https://my350z.com/forum/autocross-r...r-the-zed.html
https://my350z.com/forum/autocross-r...-duct-kit.html

I'm sure the guys who are serious about it and have the real need aren't going to quibble about the price.
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Old Oct 1, 2010 | 04:44 PM
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^^ nope, these are what Ive been looking for. Planning a few enduros next season.

The home depot poseurs need to relax.
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Old Oct 1, 2010 | 11:12 PM
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Originally Posted by R350Zz33
ducting $18.33

spliter $15.47
sheet metal (enough to do this 3 times)$40.68
figure $10 in screws and hardware.
thats a final price of $84.48
NTM, you can fab your own pieces, cf, fiberglass etc....but thats just making sense, its one of my winter projs...however op good design, and for those not apt or interested in proj offers a viable alternative
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Old Oct 2, 2010 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by l30thelion
These look awesome, pricey but if they get the job done they're worth the savings in rotor/pad life.

How well would these work on stock calipers/rotors?
Also, is there a way to get air/cooling to the rear brakes using something similar to these, anyone done something similar (DIY) but for the rears?
the problem with OEM calipers is there really are no true track worthy pads for them (aside from some for the 06+ calipers) and the OEM rotors are not designed with a track pad in mind. So, it may help, but may not. Rear is a non issue for 99.9% of the Z's out there
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Old Oct 2, 2010 | 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Z1 Performance
the problem with OEM calipers is there really are no true track worthy pads for them (aside from some for the 06+ calipers) and the OEM rotors are not designed with a track pad in mind. So, it may help, but may not. Rear is a non issue for 99.9% of the Z's out there
Well, I actually run Raybestos ST43 compound pads on my rear stock non-brembo 03 calipers, my opinion is they are definitely track worthy. But maybe thats because I run StopTech ST40 calipers up front on Raybestos ST41 compound, that helps the rears a lot.

What I'm looking for is a way to run stock calipers front/rear w/ the Raybestos pads but have the rotos/pads last longer than 1 NASA weekend event. Reason being, in NASA TT changing of calipers is a +2 points mod, which I would love to avoid.

If these brakes ducts can cool down the brakes enough to give me more life out of pads/rotors, it would be a huge win for me.

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Old Oct 2, 2010 | 03:48 PM
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This thread reminds me why I love our Z's. So much win.
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Old Oct 2, 2010 | 05:20 PM
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Ugh facepalm once again!

Not sparking the fire

Just palming my face!
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Old Oct 2, 2010 | 05:35 PM
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$300 for the pair?
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Old Oct 2, 2010 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by KingBaby
Ugh facepalm once again!

Not sparking the fire

Just palming my face!
In for your reasoning.....the price is on par with equal parts for other makes. I am all for a good DIY project, but the average or even advanced DIYer can't replicate this for much less. Keep in mind that for us people who track our cars that this region is EXTREMELY hot. People pay 90-100 bucks for a fake carbon front bumper scoop.....frankly, I think these are a bit of deal.

But....go ahead....give me a good facepalm reply .
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Old Oct 2, 2010 | 06:04 PM
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Any issues installing these on a G35?
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Old Oct 2, 2010 | 06:30 PM
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ducting might need to be different length to suit the G but duct wise, I can't think of why it won't fit
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