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Old Feb 9, 2012 | 09:18 AM
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anyone know if any plenums/spacers are allowed? Do they consider it as "engine" and therefore must stay OEM? I don't see anything about intake except stock filter housing must be used........
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Old Feb 9, 2012 | 09:19 AM
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General rule of thumb for all racing rules. If it doesn't say you can.....you can't.
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Old Feb 9, 2012 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by 03threefiftyz
General rule of thumb for all racing rules. If it doesn't say you can.....you can't.
As a general rule, and especially with SCCA, I absolutely agree. It doesn't, however, say that you can engine swap (and you can) nor does it say you can run 9" rear wheels (and you can). I thought/assume/hoped that as long as you meet the HP requirements and follow the rules that are stated, everything else is ok.
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Old Feb 9, 2012 | 10:12 AM
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I just got off the phone with Nissan have some clarifications for you guys:

Suspension kits must be purchased from Nissan. They will be stamped/marked in some fashion. Despite the KW part number that was on our shipping, they are not standard as they appear - the spring rates are 800/600 as the kits are assembled specifically for Spec Z. The shock valving was left up to KW to assure they are appropriate to the spring rates so those may not be standard either. Bottom line is - get the kit from Nissan directly.

Pricing I was told is $2599 for the Shocks/Springs. $185 for each swaybar.

That's $2969 total for the entire suspension kit.

And while they came assembled as outboard coilovers on the rear, they should not be run that way. The kit will include perches and adjusters to mount the spring in the stock bucket on the lower control arm.

You should also be able to get some front camber (I think we have almost -2 on the T2 cars) especially if you lower the ride height a little. If tire wear becomes an issue Nissan will address it.

Also asked about things like removed heater cores and blowers. While no specific decision was made, it sounds like they don't want to exclude anyone based on those sort of things, so something will likely be worked out. We'll be talking with some folks at NASA and see what we can do.

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Old Feb 9, 2012 | 10:21 AM
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Thanks Brian.
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Old Feb 9, 2012 | 10:22 AM
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I am sure some of you have reserved opinions about them, but the Forgestar F14 is available in 18x9/10 and you'll have better offset options than OTS wheels. Price will be on par with Enkeis as well...just a thought.

http://www.forgestar.com/v2/wheelsf14.php

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Old Feb 9, 2012 | 10:30 AM
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hmmm a series to build the car for now.
I had plenty of questions but will have to read over the rules.
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Old Feb 9, 2012 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by idrive_MD
I am sure some of you have reserved opinions about them, but the Forgestar F14 is available in 18x9/10 and you'll have better offset options than OTS wheels. Price will be on par with Enkeis as well...just a thought.

http://www.forgestar.com/v2/wheelsf14.php
Be prepared to wait half a year for them. I waited like 8 months myself after I placed an order..
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Old Feb 9, 2012 | 10:42 AM
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I am pretty sure all the new enkeis I've bought were here two days after I ordered them...
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Old Feb 9, 2012 | 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by scotts300
As a general rule, and especially with SCCA, I absolutely agree. It doesn't, however, say that you can engine swap (and you can) nor does it say you can run 9" rear wheels (and you can). I thought/assume/hoped that as long as you meet the HP requirements and follow the rules that are stated, everything else is ok.
SCCA allows you to up-date and back-date for certain things. We up-dated our 2003 Brickyard Track car to the newer 2006 engine befdore we wrecked it. You can also up-date to Brembos even if your car didn't come with them because they were offered on another model.
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Old Feb 9, 2012 | 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by 03threefiftyz
I am pretty sure all the new enkeis I've bought were here two days after I ordered them...
It all depends on what is in stock. Unfortunately the RPF1 wheels are too light for the NASA specs. However, I can also furnish the RPO3 wheels which are heavy enough to work amd are the same price as the RPF1's. Enkei tries to keep the stock up in the spring when there is a huge call for competition wheels but some sizes sell out pretty quickly.

For us to do the NASA series we would need to start with another car. We have sponsorship commitments to run T3 SCCA for 2012 and the change over takes more time than we have even with the new garage.
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Old Feb 9, 2012 | 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ntrinsik
Be prepared to wait half a year for them. I waited like 8 months myself after I placed an order..
I have heard about that, but I haven't personally experienced that. I have order two sets spread over a year and both sets arrived between 1-2months when I ordered direct through Forgestar.

Since I can't field a car this year and I have had good experience with them, I may entertain ordering a set for next year. I've got a lot of work to do and little time to prep this year, so I may not even be ready by next year either (not to mention I still have my G35 and I will need a Z).

On a seperate note, I like the idea someone had of allowing a modified class to run along with the spec cars. It would definitely broaden the series and make it easier for others who already have a prepped beyond spec car to participate. I was even thinking if this series took off, it would be cool for NASA in a few years to have an all Nissan race class, but thats just too greedy of us I suppose.

I hope NASA plans on having more events at Summit and New Jersey since I am smack dab in the middle of them. The Virginia tracks are at least 5-hrs away.
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Old Feb 9, 2012 | 08:59 PM
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Hmmmm good thing I've already started putting the Nismo back to OEM form. Still think it would be more cost effective to sell it and buy a junky cheap 03 though
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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 06:18 AM
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Thnx!
Originally Posted by racerbob4
I could do a deal on wheels for the group or individuals. Unfortunately the Enkei RPF1 is slightly too light for the rules. I called Paul at Nissan Motorsports about lowering the weight of the 9" and 10" but haven't heard back from him. There are other wheels that will work.
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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by scotts300
Has anyone actually weighed the 9" RPF1? Or do they just go by the 18.4# published value? The 10" RPF1 should be ok though.
I'm curious also.. I would hate to buy 3 sets of these and then find out that NASA tech is not passing RPF1s over .1 lb.
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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by bkleeman
Looks like they are F: 855 lbs/in, R: 455 lbs/in

Also looks like these are outboard, so they dont use the spring buckets on the rear lower control arms ... so rear ride height is adjustable (i'd have to go back to the rules to make sure that's allowed).

Brian

Originally Posted by bkleeman
I just got off the phone with Nissan have some clarifications for you guys:

Suspension kits must be purchased from Nissan. They will be stamped/marked in some fashion. Despite the KW part number that was on our shipping, they are not standard as they appear - the spring rates are 800/600 as the kits are assembled specifically for Spec Z. The shock valving was left up to KW to assure they are appropriate to the spring rates so those may not be standard either. Bottom line is - get the kit from Nissan directly.

Pricing I was told is $2599 for the Shocks/Springs. $185 for each swaybar.

That's $2969 total for the entire suspension kit.

And while they came assembled as outboard coilovers on the rear, they should not be run that way. The kit will include perches and adjusters to mount the spring in the stock bucket on the lower control arm.


Brian
Thank you for calling them to clariify the spring rate specs and how the rear springs are run in the oem loction. Makes a world of differance for those of us that would never run any other type of setup in the rear.



855/455 wheel rate 405/192
800/600 wheel rates = 379/253

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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 07:55 AM
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anyone know if all bushings would have to remain factory? mainly would the front inner lca and compression arm bushings be allowed to be swapped so participants don't to blow them all the time?
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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 11:53 AM
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NASA Spec Z forum is up!

http://www.nasaforums.com/viewforum....a474ce3cb0bd1f

Who's going to make the inaurgeral post!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 12:20 PM
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Not sure if anybody posted this yet, but here are the actual forms for contingency:

Nissan Contingency

BFGoodrich Contingency
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Old Feb 10, 2012 | 01:39 PM
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racerbob4: what Enkei offsets do you recommend and/or is readily available in the Spec Sizes? Both Front and Rear?

Note: I run 17x10 ET 25 5Zigen FN01R-C all around now, with a 5MM spacer in front, w/ ~ 3.5 deg of camber in the front...running 275-40-17 HoHo R6s.. great handling setup with plenty of clearance and very good wear patterns...and relatively cheap!

Originally Posted by racerbob4
It all depends on what is in stock. Unfortunately the RPF1 wheels are too light for the NASA specs. However, I can also furnish the RPO3 wheels which are heavy enough to work amd are the same price as the RPF1's. Enkei tries to keep the stock up in the spring when there is a huge call for competition wheels but some sizes sell out pretty quickly.

For us to do the NASA series we would need to start with another car. We have sponsorship commitments to run T3 SCCA for 2012 and the change over takes more time than we have even with the new garage.

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