Finally got Brembo Brakes... Off an R35...
08-13-2009, 04:26 PM
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I still think that either road I intended to travel would have ultimately lead to
increased ownership costs. I appreciate the cost input, but I have some decent
personal resources for locating dead stock items as far as aftermarket components
go. What's the pricepoint on endless 6/4 racing rotors and pads? I am assuming same
ballpark right? I am confident I will have better overall cost structure compared to
my other braking choices, but perhaps I am wrong - time will tell. I do know that
there will be infinitely more R35's on the road with their OE brembo setups than
350z 6/4 endless kits.
increased ownership costs. I appreciate the cost input, but I have some decent
personal resources for locating dead stock items as far as aftermarket components
go. What's the pricepoint on endless 6/4 racing rotors and pads? I am assuming same
ballpark right? I am confident I will have better overall cost structure compared to
my other braking choices, but perhaps I am wrong - time will tell. I do know that
there will be infinitely more R35's on the road with their OE brembo setups than
350z 6/4 endless kits.
The down side is (and I don't mean to
) would be getting it to all work (ensuring proper piston sizes, brake bias, master cylinder, brake booster, mounting brackets, wheel fitment, etc.), cross drilled rotors (even for a street vehicle they don't last as long as slotted rotors which are the standard rotor type for the Endless kit) and replacement parts costs. At the end of the day you've made a decision and I think you are at the point of no return so I am in to see your end result and I once again bid you good luck.
Oh, and enough with people commenting about the "haters" comments they are becoming redundant.
08-14-2009, 11:20 AM
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anyway, back on topic
look forward to seeing it all come together. I know first hand what it's like to do this exact type of job - it's not for everyone, as there are alot of i's to dot and t's to cross, but in the end, you end up with something unique, which is the name of the game for some of us. I went through these exact type of issues when I decided a few years ago "how cool would it be if I had an AP kit on my Datsun (280ZX-T)" - and so it began. Ended up having brackets cnc'd for the AP 6 piston calipers, custom hats machined, etc etc. Thankfully they cleared the wheels I had with ease, and even the existing brake lines bolted right up. Was retardly expensive, but anything on my Datsun has been, since there is just a lack of parts made for it that are worth using. But in the end, I have something no one else does, and I am cool with that. I still will need to figure out the booster and master cylinder issues, but thankfully AP, Tilton, and others make universal versions that I can adapt pretty easily.
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08-14-2009, 11:23 AM
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The way I see it the road you are taking has its ups and downs over the standard Endless racing 6/racing 4 kit. The ups being that you will have a more unique setup for a 350z (as rare as the Endless kit is that's a pretty difficult feat to achieve), monoblock calipers (the racing 6/racing 4 is a two piece caliper) and bigger rotors (over the standard Endless kit, obviously 380mm calipers are optional and available).
The down side is (and I don't mean to) would be getting it to all work (ensuring proper piston sizes, brake bias, master cylinder, brake booster, mounting brackets, wheel fitment, etc.), cross drilled rotors (even for a street vehicle they don't last as long as slotted rotors which are the standard rotor type for the Endless kit) and replacement parts costs.
At the end of the day you've made a decision and I think you are at the point of no return so I am in to see your end result and I once again bid you good luck.
Oh, and enough with people commenting about the "haters" comments they are becoming redundant.
The down side is (and I don't mean to
) would be getting it to all work (ensuring proper piston sizes, brake bias, master cylinder, brake booster, mounting brackets, wheel fitment, etc.), cross drilled rotors (even for a street vehicle they don't last as long as slotted rotors which are the standard rotor type for the Endless kit) and replacement parts costs. At the end of the day you've made a decision and I think you are at the point of no return so I am in to see your end result and I once again bid you good luck.
Oh, and enough with people commenting about the "haters" comments they are becoming redundant.
08-31-2009, 12:54 PM
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In for project completion...I for one hope that this works out. Modifying has taken this trial and error course ever since cars were first built. Its why we do it...to have the latest, greatest, most different, and coolest. Imagine the first person to do the LS1 swap into a 240. Or those guys who swapped in E39 M5 engine into little E36 engine bays...they do it for the sport and fun of it. Obviously if you have the pockets...kudos to you! I wish I had the pockets...well my credit cards have the pockets, but I don't have the pockets to pay their pockets haha. 
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Good luck with the bracket, that's ALWAYS the hardest part of trying to build a BBK. It's not just the task of finding someone competent enough to do it, but finding someone who is competent, willing to take one-off custom jobs, and not rape you for doing it.
This corroborates what the chief engineer at Race Technologies (Brembo USA) has told me. Brembo has two separate divisions - the OEM program and the Brembo Performance program (which is both the Gran Turismo and Brembo Racing programs). The OEM Brembo program is headquartered in Detroit and all the R&D/planning for any OEM application is based out of that office. Brembo Performance (the GT and Brembo Racing programs) is headquartered in Costa Mesa, CA. The engineers are housed there, and all measurements/R&D work is done there (which is how I met the chief engineer). Every GT kit is R&D'd out of Costa Mesa. Those specs are then sent to Italy for approval and manufacturing. Once the components are manufactured, they are sent to Costa Mesa and warehoused until an order is placed for a particular GT kit. The kit is then assembled, inspected, packaged, and shipped from Race Technologies in Costa Mesa to whatever dealer sold them, and finally to the customer.
Brembo will themselves tell you that the GT/Brembo Racing kits are superior in many ways to any OEM supplied Brembo product. Items like caliper stiffness, heat capacity, and manufacturing processes are some of the resons. Think about it - each GT kit is made to order, while OEM applications are designed with mass production and cost savings as the most important factors.
This is also true. In buying replacement pads for my Brembo GT 6/4 kit, the pad selection is ENORMOUS, because they're Brembo GT calipers, and share pad sizes with the rest of the Brembo GT caliper family. 
They're also surprisingly affordable - I just bought a 4-corner set of Hawk pads for my GT kit for $259 shipped! The discs and pads for this specific scenario will be much higher in price because it's going to be an application-specific sizing, unless Brembo designed the OEM GT-R caliper to use the same pad as another one of their OEM systems (which is highly doubtful on a car like the GT-R). Oh, and they're also "GT-R" pads and discs, which you can bet they'll charge for too. But hey, if you can pull this off, you'll definitely be unique, and there's something to be said about that. Sometimes you gotta pay to play, right?
I know how frustrating it is to be "stuck" where you are right now, I hope you can find a resource to help you get those brakes up and running on your car!
Javier
so i thought i would chime in a bit. i purchased a set of brembo's in december timeframe. they are almost identical to the gtr brakes. in fact the 6 piston gt kit for the car is better than the gtr kit...
brembo said that the gtr brakes are from their OEM manufacturer, that the aftermarket brembo is a completely different process and a much better product...
brembo said that the gtr brakes are from their OEM manufacturer, that the aftermarket brembo is a completely different process and a much better product...
Brembo will themselves tell you that the GT/Brembo Racing kits are superior in many ways to any OEM supplied Brembo product. Items like caliper stiffness, heat capacity, and manufacturing processes are some of the resons. Think about it - each GT kit is made to order, while OEM applications are designed with mass production and cost savings as the most important factors.
They're also surprisingly affordable - I just bought a 4-corner set of Hawk pads for my GT kit for $259 shipped! The discs and pads for this specific scenario will be much higher in price because it's going to be an application-specific sizing, unless Brembo designed the OEM GT-R caliper to use the same pad as another one of their OEM systems (which is highly doubtful on a car like the GT-R). Oh, and they're also "GT-R" pads and discs, which you can bet they'll charge for too. But hey, if you can pull this off, you'll definitely be unique, and there's something to be said about that. Sometimes you gotta pay to play, right? I know how frustrating it is to be "stuck" where you are right now, I hope you can find a resource to help you get those brakes up and running on your car!
Javier
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