oh snap, nasty 335i @ the track!!!
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Originally Posted by hotrod182
S8ER95Z: I thought someone said your car makes double the HP as mine. I was just doubting that was possible with minimal mods. I was just stating the fact that my car can run close to the 11's with only $500 in mods.
I am well aware of the potential of 335i's and if they didn't cost more than 2 times what my car was new I wouldn't mind having one. (in no way is that bashing...just a matter of funds)
As far as being irrational? No way is a 335i good competition for a properly driven bike through normal 'curvy' roads. Look at the times that bikes put down on tracks and compare.. F1 cars, high end exotics, etc can beat them on a track but none of our cars are coming close...it's a matter of handling + acceleration not just handling. Sure a car can carry more corner speed if setup properly but that doesn't mean a geo metro has a chance in hell of staying near one on a twisty road unless the rider sucks. No offense to you as I am sure you are a good driver but the person riding the bike makes all the difference and Nicky Hayden vs your 335i is 'no contest'. That isn't irrational it's simply reality.
I will take back my rash comment regarding your mods in light of the post confusion here... in reality it really doesn't matter how much money was spent on mods or how much the car costs to me.
Last edited by S8ER95Z; Feb 27, 2008 at 06:55 AM.
Originally Posted by S8ER95Z
I have none...what's your ****ing point? Who cares?
Originally Posted by hotrod182
Doug: Argue objectively? I'm the one trying to give as much factual/objective information as possible. Your the one that only shows your bike sitting in a parking lot. The one with tires that show evidence of less than major cornering angle usage. .
lol.. you want to call out my chicken strips?
you see the clock on this picture? 923 miles
how's that back tire for you? when i took this picture i havn't even started pushing my bike because i was still breaking it in..
anyway.. find me someone please.. please find me someone to shut me up
Originally Posted by doug
anyway.. find me someone please.. please find me someone to shut me up
That's not likely going to happen, I can't imagine what cosmic force it would take to shut you up Doug 
BTW, nice gixer!
Originally Posted by S8ER95Z
Someone was way off, you have me more than covered...I sit at ~350hp since I am bone stock and put down ~310rwhp / ~330rqtrq.
As far as being irrational? No way is a 335i good competition for a properly driven bike through normal 'curvy' roads. Look at the times that bikes put down on tracks and compare.. F1 cars, high end exotics, etc can beat them on a track but none of our cars are coming close...it's a matter of handling + acceleration not just handling. Sure a car can carry more corner speed if setup properly but that doesn't mean a geo metro has a chance in hell of staying near one on a twisty road unless the rider sucks. No offense to you as I am sure you are a good driver but the person riding the bike makes all the difference and Nicky Hayden vs your 335i is 'no contest'. That isn't irrational it's simply reality.
As far as being irrational? No way is a 335i good competition for a properly driven bike through normal 'curvy' roads. Look at the times that bikes put down on tracks and compare.. F1 cars, high end exotics, etc can beat them on a track but none of our cars are coming close...it's a matter of handling + acceleration not just handling. Sure a car can carry more corner speed if setup properly but that doesn't mean a geo metro has a chance in hell of staying near one on a twisty road unless the rider sucks. No offense to you as I am sure you are a good driver but the person riding the bike makes all the difference and Nicky Hayden vs your 335i is 'no contest'. That isn't irrational it's simply reality.
Originally Posted by hotrod182
As far a a 335i being non-comparable because it is so expensive: The 335i can be had for right around $40,000. For that you get more expensive technology such as 2500psi direct injection, twin turbos, electric waterpump, sophisticated VANOS cam timing control, etc, etc. Hence, the N54 engine won the world wide "International Engine Of The Year Award". This is also one of the reasons why the car can get close to 30mpg on the fwy, while maintaining totally smooth, quiet performance. Of course you can add huge single turbos, nitrous, etc, and make any car faster, but thats not the point. The 335i is such a complete package, and that is why Car And Driver more than once said "The 335i may be the best car in the world when you consider overall performance." Remember, the N54 is tuned for low end torque. It makes over 300lbs to torque at 1400RPM!
bench racing at its greatest...lol take one out and you'll see what I mean. please do not repost and forget everything written here
Originally Posted by Philthy
BTW, nice gixer!
Originally Posted by Skrilla
oh my...stop the "N54 engine is holier than though" speach, this is a nissan site full of VQs. The VQ has more awards than there are members on this board...LMAO. Anyway, have you really checked into that motor, literally BMW took a minimalist stance to turbo that block - I have the article saved at home. I'll go ahead and post asap. Now not to undercut what bmw has done but without some additional aftermarket cooling that engine has trouble at track events. So when they put that package together many of the stock bmw internals were retained, with low boost. Drag racing makes it a bit easier as there are obvious breaks between events. Low end torque is no hidden trick....believe it or not the integra gsr motor produced 90% of its max TQ at 2000 rpms and that motor is from '94.
bench racing at its greatest...lol take one out and you'll see what I mean. please do not repost and forget everything written here
bench racing at its greatest...lol take one out and you'll see what I mean. please do not repost and forget everything written here
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Originally Posted by jimmyloose
lol @ bench racing...
By saying the 335i can take even an R6 through some 'curves' you are comparing it to a 2007 Porsche 911 GT3 in essence...
The fact that canyon roads are in no way a good comparison to an actual track (meaning the general public does not drive on roads near as challenging) it's purely a lack of driver ability on the bikes part if it doesn't destroy the 335i...
I will retain that it is dullusional to believe a car is handing todays crotch rocket it's *** on a highway with some curves in it unless the car is packing some serious power and trapping in the 120+ area...(even then I still have money on the bike)...
Where is this 'canyon road'? I would like to see some sat images....
Originally Posted by S8ER95Z
http://blog.racedv.com/2007/11/car-vs-bike.html
By saying the 335i can take even an R6 through some 'curves' you are comparing it to a 2007 Porsche 911 GT3 in essence...
The fact that canyon roads are in no way a good comparison to an actual track (meaning the general public does not drive on roads near as challenging) it's purely a lack of driver ability on the bikes part if it doesn't destroy the 335i...
I will retain that it is dullusional to believe a car is handing todays crotch rocket it's *** on a highway with some curves in it unless the car is packing some serious power and trapping in the 120+ area...(even then I still have money on the bike)...
Where is this 'canyon road'? I would like to see some sat images....
By saying the 335i can take even an R6 through some 'curves' you are comparing it to a 2007 Porsche 911 GT3 in essence...
The fact that canyon roads are in no way a good comparison to an actual track (meaning the general public does not drive on roads near as challenging) it's purely a lack of driver ability on the bikes part if it doesn't destroy the 335i...
I will retain that it is dullusional to believe a car is handing todays crotch rocket it's *** on a highway with some curves in it unless the car is packing some serious power and trapping in the 120+ area...(even then I still have money on the bike)...
Where is this 'canyon road'? I would like to see some sat images....
which means the 335i should be much much faster than the GT3 in corners and canyons..
either that or this guy is just one hell of a driver
Originally Posted by S8ER95Z
http://blog.racedv.com/2007/11/car-vs-bike.html
By saying the 335i can take even an R6 through some 'curves' you are comparing it to a 2007 Porsche 911 GT3 in essence...
By saying the 335i can take even an R6 through some 'curves' you are comparing it to a 2007 Porsche 911 GT3 in essence...
The one thing that the video illustrates is how much harder the car brakes and how much more corner speed the car has - BUT, the motorcycle is GONE in the straights...
HotRod.. here is a present for you courtesy of the GSX-R Forums..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U41dhuzoUNI
i won't tell you the nasty names they called you.. lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U41dhuzoUNI
i won't tell you the nasty names they called you.. lol
Originally Posted by doug
HotRod.. here is a present for you courtesy of the GSX-R Forums..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U41dhuzoUNI
i won't tell you the nasty names they called you.. lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U41dhuzoUNI
i won't tell you the nasty names they called you.. lol
Originally Posted by Philthy
Great Vid Doug! Talking about sliding the rear and changing direction!!!
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Okay, Doug, lets look at the facts. I never said a 335i is faster than bike. I just showed you some video footage of some canyon runs. Since a bike is pretty fast, I though this would give you a good perspective of how good a stock family car can run also. If that was a Geo Metro in front of me, you would say "big deal". But they are decently quick bikes, with decently quick riders. Are you any faster than these riders? Who knows? I'm waiting for you to at least put up some kind of proof. That fact is, I can run weeks on end, and not find a bike that will leave me through those same twisties. Just stating what I have encountered. No general statement saying cars are faster than bikes! I figured a bike would simply dust my sedan through these roads, but interestingly enough have found that not to be so. Take it for what its worth. I have plenty of video showing the same thing, over and over.
As far as the economics of the 350Z vs 335i. Its not that great of a price difference. If you stick that turbo on the 350Z and look at the money you spent 3yrs down the road if you sold both cars with the higher residual that the BMW has, you might be surprised to find that the 350Z might not be any cheaper to own after all. I can't do it on my lunch break right now, but it you need me to research the numbers for you, I can provide them for you. The cars are close enough in price where long term ownership costs are closer than you think. Especially when you consider the BMW has free 4yr/50K maintenance and a lower insurance index rating.
As far a the N54 International Engine of the Year Award. The VQ engine is good, but before the N45 held the distinction ,my M3 S54 engine held the distinction in the 3.0-4.0L for at least 3 yrs in a row now. BMW has dominated the engine awards lately. Is this a silly award by people who don't know what they are talking about? Well, look at the panel of judges made up of the most experience auto journalists, etc, around.
And as far as just slapping on a big turbo on Car X, and getting bigger numbers. That is not the point. The 335i has pretty tiny walnut size turbines which don't put out the much high end power. What it does do is give you almost lagless response, and 300+/lbs torque at 1400 rpm, famous BMW smoothness, 28mpg, great power band, etc, etc. All the technology in that car, is worth the extra price you pay for it. And when you consider resale value, free svc, lower insurance, it is hardly more expensive if at all in the long term.
Anyway, just presenting some more objective facts. But the bottom line is, if I just wanted to have the fastest supercharged Z06, I could have just bought one. It is a car that is "expected to be fast". But there is always someone faster, big deal. What is thrilling to me is driving a sedate looking family sedan that people don't know the difference between it being a 335,325, 328, 330i, and then blowing the doors off of their Muscle/sports cars, or giving them fits on their crotch rockets. Maybe its just me, but I love a sleeper car. Doesn't attract attention, but that doesn't matter to me. I just like to drive fast. I think some of you can understand where I am coming from...besides Doug..
As far as the economics of the 350Z vs 335i. Its not that great of a price difference. If you stick that turbo on the 350Z and look at the money you spent 3yrs down the road if you sold both cars with the higher residual that the BMW has, you might be surprised to find that the 350Z might not be any cheaper to own after all. I can't do it on my lunch break right now, but it you need me to research the numbers for you, I can provide them for you. The cars are close enough in price where long term ownership costs are closer than you think. Especially when you consider the BMW has free 4yr/50K maintenance and a lower insurance index rating.
As far a the N54 International Engine of the Year Award. The VQ engine is good, but before the N45 held the distinction ,my M3 S54 engine held the distinction in the 3.0-4.0L for at least 3 yrs in a row now. BMW has dominated the engine awards lately. Is this a silly award by people who don't know what they are talking about? Well, look at the panel of judges made up of the most experience auto journalists, etc, around.
And as far as just slapping on a big turbo on Car X, and getting bigger numbers. That is not the point. The 335i has pretty tiny walnut size turbines which don't put out the much high end power. What it does do is give you almost lagless response, and 300+/lbs torque at 1400 rpm, famous BMW smoothness, 28mpg, great power band, etc, etc. All the technology in that car, is worth the extra price you pay for it. And when you consider resale value, free svc, lower insurance, it is hardly more expensive if at all in the long term.
Anyway, just presenting some more objective facts. But the bottom line is, if I just wanted to have the fastest supercharged Z06, I could have just bought one. It is a car that is "expected to be fast". But there is always someone faster, big deal. What is thrilling to me is driving a sedate looking family sedan that people don't know the difference between it being a 335,325, 328, 330i, and then blowing the doors off of their Muscle/sports cars, or giving them fits on their crotch rockets. Maybe its just me, but I love a sleeper car. Doesn't attract attention, but that doesn't matter to me. I just like to drive fast. I think some of you can understand where I am coming from...besides Doug..
Last edited by hotrod182; Feb 27, 2008 at 05:41 PM.
Originally Posted by hotrod182
Okay, Doug, lets look at the facts. I never said a 335i is faster than bike. I just showed you some video footage of some canyon runs. Since a bike is pretty fast, I though this would give you a good perspective of how good a stock family car can run also. If that was a Geo Metro in front of me, you would say "big deal". But they are decently quick bikes, with decently quick riders. Are you any faster than these riders? Who knows? I'm waiting for you to at least put up some kind of proof. That fact is, I can run weeks on end, and not find a bike that will leave me through those same twisties. Just stating what I have encountered. No general statement saying cars are faster than bikes! I figured a bike would simply dust my sedan through these roads, but interestingly enough have found that not to be so. Take it for what its worth. I have plenty of video showing the same thing, over and over.
As far as the economics of the 350Z vs 335i. Its not that great of a price difference. If you stick that turbo on the 350Z and look at the money you spent 3yrs down the road if you sold both cars with the higher residual that the BMW has, you might be surprised to find that the 350Z might not be any cheaper to own after all. I'm can't do it on my lunch break right now, but it you need me to research the numbers for you, I can provide them for you. The cars are close enough in price where long term ownership costs are closer than you think. Especially when you consider the BMW has free 4yr/50K maintenance and a lower insurance index rating.
As far a the N54 International Engine of the Year Award. The VQ engine is good, but before the N45 held the distinction ,my M3 S54 engine held the distinction in the 3.0-4.0L for at least 3 yrs in a row now. BMW has dominated the engine awards lately. Is this a silly award by people who don't know what they are talking about? Well, look at the panel of judges made up of the most experience auto journalists, etc, around.
And as far as just slapping on a big turbo on Car X, and getting bigger numbers. That is not the point. The 335i has pretty tiny walnut size turbines which don't put out the much high end power. What it does do is give you almost lagless response, and 300+/lbs torque at 1400 rpm, famous BMW smoothness, 28mpg, great power band, etc, etc. All the technology in that car, is worth the extra price you pay for it. And when you consider resale value, free svc, lower insurance, it is hardly more expensive if at all in the long term.
Anyway, just presenting some more objective facts. But the bottom line is, if I just wanted to have the fastest supercharged Z06, I could have just bought one. It is a car that is "expected to be fast". But there is always someone faster, big deal. What is thrilling to me is driving a sedate looking family sedan that people don't know the difference between it being a 335,325, 328, 330i, and then blowing the doors off of their Muscle/sports cars, or giving them fits on their crotch rockets. Maybe its just me, but I love a sleeper car. Doesn't attract attention, but that doesn't matter to me. I just like to drive fast. I think some of you can understand where I am coming from...besides Doug..
As far as the economics of the 350Z vs 335i. Its not that great of a price difference. If you stick that turbo on the 350Z and look at the money you spent 3yrs down the road if you sold both cars with the higher residual that the BMW has, you might be surprised to find that the 350Z might not be any cheaper to own after all. I'm can't do it on my lunch break right now, but it you need me to research the numbers for you, I can provide them for you. The cars are close enough in price where long term ownership costs are closer than you think. Especially when you consider the BMW has free 4yr/50K maintenance and a lower insurance index rating.
As far a the N54 International Engine of the Year Award. The VQ engine is good, but before the N45 held the distinction ,my M3 S54 engine held the distinction in the 3.0-4.0L for at least 3 yrs in a row now. BMW has dominated the engine awards lately. Is this a silly award by people who don't know what they are talking about? Well, look at the panel of judges made up of the most experience auto journalists, etc, around.
And as far as just slapping on a big turbo on Car X, and getting bigger numbers. That is not the point. The 335i has pretty tiny walnut size turbines which don't put out the much high end power. What it does do is give you almost lagless response, and 300+/lbs torque at 1400 rpm, famous BMW smoothness, 28mpg, great power band, etc, etc. All the technology in that car, is worth the extra price you pay for it. And when you consider resale value, free svc, lower insurance, it is hardly more expensive if at all in the long term.
Anyway, just presenting some more objective facts. But the bottom line is, if I just wanted to have the fastest supercharged Z06, I could have just bought one. It is a car that is "expected to be fast". But there is always someone faster, big deal. What is thrilling to me is driving a sedate looking family sedan that people don't know the difference between it being a 335,325, 328, 330i, and then blowing the doors off of their Muscle/sports cars, or giving them fits on their crotch rockets. Maybe its just me, but I love a sleeper car. Doesn't attract attention, but that doesn't matter to me. I just like to drive fast. I think some of you can understand where I am coming from...besides Doug..
Thats an opinion though. However, no-oner here is ******* your car, they are just asking you to take the stick out of your butt and quite describing it as god's gift to enthusiasts. This is worse than the RSX-S complex
Originally Posted by hotrod182
Okay, Doug, lets look at the facts. I never said a 335i is faster than bike.
Originally Posted by hotrod182
And if you ever do come down here on anything but stock tires, then I will just switch to some hi perf tires and see how you do against me.....
Originally Posted by hotrod182
I just showed you some video footage of some canyon runs. Since a bike is pretty fast, I though this would give you a good perspective of how good a stock family car can run also. If that was a Geo Metro in front of me, you would say "big deal". But they are decently quick bikes, with decently quick riders. Are you any faster than these riders? Who knows? I'm waiting for you to at least put up some kind of proof. That fact is, I can run weeks on end, and not find a bike that will leave me through those same twisties. Just stating what I have encountered. No general statement saying cars are faster than bikes! I figured a bike would simply dust my sedan through these roads, but interestingly enough have found that not to be so. Take it for what its worth. I have plenty of video showing the same thing, over and over.
Originally Posted by hotrod182
As far as the economics of the 350Z vs 335i. Its not that great of a price difference. If you stick that turbo on the 350Z and look at the money you spent 3yrs down the road if you sold both cars with the higher residual that the BMW has, you might be surprised to find that the 350Z might not be any cheaper to own after all. I'm can't do it on my lunch break right now, but it you need me to research the numbers for you, I can provide them for you. The cars are close enough in price where long term ownership costs are closer than you think. Especially when you consider the BMW has free 4yr/50K maintenance and a lower insurance index rating.
People don't buy cars as investments.. if you bought your BMW as an investment i am sorry to tell you that usually when model's change on BMW's they take a huge depreciation hit..
Originally Posted by hotrod182
As far a the N54 International Engine of the Year Award. The VQ engine is good, but before the N45 held the distinction ,my M3 S54 engine held the distinction in the 3.0-4.0L for at least 3 yrs in a row now. BMW has dominated the engine awards lately. Is this a silly award by people who don't know what they are talking about? Well, look at the panel of judges made up of the most experience auto journalists, etc, around.
Originally Posted by hotrod182
And as far as just slapping on a big turbo on Car X, and getting bigger numbers. That is not the point. The 335i has pretty tiny walnut size turbines which don't put out the much high end power. What it does do is give you almost lagless response, and 300+/lbs torque at 1400 rpm, famous BMW smoothness, 28mpg, great power band, etc, etc. All the technology in that car, is worth the extra price you pay for it. And when you consider resale value, free svc, lower insurance, it is hardly more expensive if at all in the long term.
Originally Posted by hotrod182
Anyway, just presenting some more objective facts. But the bottom line is, if I just wanted to have the fastest supercharged Z06, I could have just bought one. It is a car that is "expected to be fast". But there is always someone faster, big deal. What is thrilling to me is driving a sedate looking family sedan that people don't know the difference between it being a 335,325, 328, 330i, and then blowing the doors off of their Muscle/sports cars, or giving them fits on their crotch rockets. Maybe its just me, but I love a sleeper car. Doesn't attract attention, but that doesn't matter to me. I just like to drive fast. I think some of you can understand where I am coming from...besides Doug..
