Drifting 101 - a guide/insight to drifting the z
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Also, to get some opinions from people who drift regularly, recommended Diffs?
I am currently leaning towards the OS Giken
or possibly a Cusco, not sure RS or MZ? I am assuming MZ as it has higher initial Torque? Better for drifting?
I don't care about noise or street driving, I care what performs the best at the drift track, and especially on the higher speed drifts, seen lots of good reviews about Giken, but price is high....
I am currently leaning towards the OS Giken
or possibly a Cusco, not sure RS or MZ? I am assuming MZ as it has higher initial Torque? Better for drifting?
I don't care about noise or street driving, I care what performs the best at the drift track, and especially on the higher speed drifts, seen lots of good reviews about Giken, but price is high....
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I got a question about the Tein tie rods and tie rod ends.
I saw on some sites claiming it wont match factory if you just buy inners....well thats not true because I only bought inner and had no problems whatsoever
But my question is this, did anyone measure the factory vs tein outer tie rod ends? To see if they actually need to be changed to gain anything? Or are they just a stronger replacement? The inners definitely have a spacer and a slightly longer bolt, but thats about it, curious if the outers are at all different or are worth getting or matter at all.
-Hooman
I saw on some sites claiming it wont match factory if you just buy inners....well thats not true because I only bought inner and had no problems whatsoever
But my question is this, did anyone measure the factory vs tein outer tie rod ends? To see if they actually need to be changed to gain anything? Or are they just a stronger replacement? The inners definitely have a spacer and a slightly longer bolt, but thats about it, curious if the outers are at all different or are worth getting or matter at all.
-Hooman
no where are they said to be made of any other type of material that is stronger? so not sure on that...
-J
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Also, to get some opinions from people who drift regularly, recommended Diffs?
I am currently leaning towards the OS Giken
or possibly a Cusco, not sure RS or MZ? I am assuming MZ as it has higher initial Torque? Better for drifting?
I don't care about noise or street driving, I care what performs the best at the drift track, and especially on the higher speed drifts, seen lots of good reviews about Giken, but price is high....
I am currently leaning towards the OS Giken
or possibly a Cusco, not sure RS or MZ? I am assuming MZ as it has higher initial Torque? Better for drifting?
I don't care about noise or street driving, I care what performs the best at the drift track, and especially on the higher speed drifts, seen lots of good reviews about Giken, but price is high....
you would be better off with a more aggressive cusco for the characteristics your asking for, pure drift, no street...
i use a nismo and its amazing....so confidence inspiring.........a clutch LSD should one of the FIRST dammn thing you buy!!! you will love it for drift..
-J
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Why OS Giken not ideal?
http://www.osgiken.net/testimony.html
I know thats from their site but I thought it was a better overall diff to handle abuse etc bc of more clutch discs etc?
I wonder what the Formula D drivers use?
http://www.osgiken.net/testimony.html
I know thats from their site but I thought it was a better overall diff to handle abuse etc bc of more clutch discs etc?
I wonder what the Formula D drivers use?
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question on tie rods and steering stops for an 08, since the rack is different has any1 come up with a solution for getting a bit more out of them? i knew that other guy a few pages back swapped his steering rack but wasnt sure if he followed through or what happened with that
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Has anyone done this dose it work? Any tips? Thanks
OKAY - I THINK I GOT IT!
THIS SET UP SHOULD NOT MESS WITH ABS?
This should work....the remote master cylinders and input from the hydro ebrake handle will provide the braking power to rears!
it will also force fluid back toward the abs unit, but that should be one way valved? shouldn't affect anything right???? --- thats about my only question???
DIAGRAM: 1ST PIC ATTACHED BELOW
WILWOOD TANDEM MASTER CYLINDER - P/N 260-7563: 2ND PIC ATTACHED BELOW
WILWOOD PEDAL ASSEMBLY - P/N 340-1290 3RD PIC ATTACHED BELOW
In this pic you can see where i super imposed (always wanted to do that....lol) the tandem master cylinder and showed my baller 8 ball handle to show how it would be a PULL instead of a push style!??
8 ball:
- J
THIS SET UP SHOULD NOT MESS WITH ABS?
This should work....the remote master cylinders and input from the hydro ebrake handle will provide the braking power to rears!
it will also force fluid back toward the abs unit, but that should be one way valved? shouldn't affect anything right???? --- thats about my only question???
DIAGRAM: 1ST PIC ATTACHED BELOW
WILWOOD TANDEM MASTER CYLINDER - P/N 260-7563: 2ND PIC ATTACHED BELOW
WILWOOD PEDAL ASSEMBLY - P/N 340-1290 3RD PIC ATTACHED BELOW
In this pic you can see where i super imposed (always wanted to do that....lol) the tandem master cylinder and showed my baller 8 ball handle to show how it would be a PULL instead of a push style!??
8 ball:
- J
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^ Yes its been done.....not by me, but a while back a few guys did it and pm'd me...
both said its a pain to bleed...it does work one way valved and worked..
I didn't do it for my car, im currently working on 2nd caliper ebrake bracket...
-J
both said its a pain to bleed...it does work one way valved and worked..
I didn't do it for my car, im currently working on 2nd caliper ebrake bracket...
-J
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When they did it did they one way valve it or it is valved already? Thanks
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I don't see how this works, if you one way valve it when you pull the handle you'll lock the tears with no way to relieve pressure and your brakes would stay locked up and if there's no valve pressing the brakes should blow the lid off and shoot fluid out of the reservoir so am I missing something or what I'm trying to get this figured out so I can do it but there isn't much support for it
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You going to Summit Point on the 27th? Anyway, I use the OS and it's a 1.5way not a 2-way. It's solid and great for starters v.s. the stock viscous. I'll probably get a 100% LSD only if I feel I need it in the future.
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I don't see how this works, if you one way valve it when you pull the handle you'll lock the tears with no way to relieve pressure and your brakes would stay locked up and if there's no valve pressing the brakes should blow the lid off and shoot fluid out of the reservoir so am I missing something or what I'm trying to get this figured out so I can do it but there isn't much support for it
-J
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again, retaining abs is moot......most do the nackers method and splice in line at the existing fitting in the passenger side wheel well..
-J
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I get what your saying but I was talking with ASD a company that produces some various drift hand brakes and they said a remote reservoir would let the pressure from the brakes blow through into the reservoir and overflow it how do the people you've been in contact with avoid that is my real question thanks
one way valved is a bad choice of words on my part.......see below...
again, one way valved is a bad choice of words....it just needs to not blow the top off the reservoir when the actual oem 4 wheel brake pedal is applied....ie, push past the wilwood master........to those that did this install...they were fine, and it worked well.........said that bleeding was a pain, and they prefered using the motive power bleeder...
-J
again, one way valved is a bad choice of words....it just needs to not blow the top off the reservoir when the actual oem 4 wheel brake pedal is applied....ie, push past the wilwood master........to those that did this install...they were fine, and it worked well.........said that bleeding was a pain, and they prefered using the motive power bleeder...
-J
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Biaglow: Sorry no it was in Nashville, TN with TN Drift
Are you sure about the 1.5 way diff? I believe you can have it set up either way. I will contact my guy at OS Giken and find out but as far as I understood I thought it was a 2 way(its all over their site that it can be a 2 way or 1.5 way in the testimonials...)
Anyhow....installed the diff.... I love it....
The drift day was hard to gauge a lot of the high speed applications of it bc it rained(wet drifting is a lot of fun, but not as easy to carry speed/angle)
The diff did well and I think with my viscous I would have been all over the place with a wet track. Its got great response and smooth transitions. I did a lot of low speed practicing and I feel like I can control the angle 10 times better than before. Its night and day the difference. I imagine most diffs will do this but from what I feel there is no harshness to this diff at all. I think I agree that a diff is probably the most important upgrade for the drifting z
My clutch is going out and i will be upgrading to an OS Giken clutch soon(trying to decide which one), I will post my thoughts on that soon
Are you sure about the 1.5 way diff? I believe you can have it set up either way. I will contact my guy at OS Giken and find out but as far as I understood I thought it was a 2 way(its all over their site that it can be a 2 way or 1.5 way in the testimonials...)
Anyhow....installed the diff.... I love it....
The drift day was hard to gauge a lot of the high speed applications of it bc it rained(wet drifting is a lot of fun, but not as easy to carry speed/angle)
The diff did well and I think with my viscous I would have been all over the place with a wet track. Its got great response and smooth transitions. I did a lot of low speed practicing and I feel like I can control the angle 10 times better than before. Its night and day the difference. I imagine most diffs will do this but from what I feel there is no harshness to this diff at all. I think I agree that a diff is probably the most important upgrade for the drifting z
My clutch is going out and i will be upgrading to an OS Giken clutch soon(trying to decide which one), I will post my thoughts on that soon
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I just talked to OS Giken directly. The Diff does come standard as a 1.5 way diff so you are correct. You can however purchase a new pressure ring that will allow you to change it to a 2-way.
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Question about the tein tie rods. Is there anything I should tell the shop to do in regards to alignment? As long as they count the threads I should be able to obtain the added steering angle right?
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