I don't care if you see any gains with it or not, because I'll believe any gains are a fabrication and a fraud just like this product. If you want to continue to make yourself look like a chump, then fine. Go ahead and spend $75 on a dyno run to prove nothing.

Here's some advice Paris. It's ok to admit you're wrong. People will respect you more when you admit that you're mistaken instead of sticking to some ridiculous story in an attempt to justify your previous statements.

BTW, who is Sam and why aren't you pissed that he used SRO Magazine to help K&G pull this fraud off?

 

Well, I have been relived of my moderating duties on SRO, which is ok, I was really only using them to poke fun at Ryan and Paris.

Just so you guys know, they are different people, but they are friends.

I began posting on this site only because Ryan posted over here.

Paris, assuming that you "schooled" me and that I am the worse 25 year old electrician running work to ever walk the face of the earth, how is it that I am posting here becasue I feel defeated on SRO? I was posting here before you. Have a grown up explain to you the word before if need be.

Well, I'm glad to see some real EE's here took charge of this. I will not be taking part in this thread anymore.

 

Heh, last time they did a dyno test on one of these, it showed a 2 hp gain......which is miniscule enough, BUT....opon looking at the times on the pulls, the DPS equipped pull was run first, then they shut it off, yanked the dps off, and made the second pull about 10 minutes from the start of the first one. Anyone with decent dyno experience....or with a brain realizes that a full out blast followed by letting it heat soak will loose power if you don't let it cool down.

Dave

 

We'll, at least this has been fun for me and my otherwise unemployed *** =).


X

 

If you think that little plastic box with about three feet worth of wires, a bit of foil, epoxy, a fuse, and a shiny foil sticker costs 20 bucks, you obviously don't know jack about manufacturing. I personally know of several manufacturing plants in China that can replicate that stupid thing for less than THREE DOLLARS, including parts and labor.

Stop talking like you know what the hell you're talking about, cause you're just making yourself sound more and more like a dumb***.

 

If you guys want to see where this started, as well as more of Paris' jackassery, here is the thread. Happy hunting fellas.

http://www.streetracing.org/boards/s...4&page=1&pp=45

 

This whole thread cracks me up. You DPS people have been so owned by jesseenglish, it's pretty much apparent to everybody but yourselves.

As he said himself, it's often better to just admit that you're wrong than to continue to open your mouth and subsequently dig yourselves a deeper hole.

 

Amazing folks, can you imagine that Kuwano is still launching new versions of the DPS. Even model-specific version for Honda VTEC & Subaru EJ20: http://www.kuwano-jp.com/kuwano/01dps/fr01_dps.html

 

 

Model specific, thats the ticket

 

Makes me sick

 

I'm sorry, I hate to do this to anyone that's familiar with this thread, but it needs a little "bump".

Perhaps the greatest thread in My350z history.

 

Jessie, sorry to bring back a dead thread, I know it is frowned upon. However, I felt this was relevant enough to warrent doing so.

The recent September 2004 Issue of Turbo and High-Tech Performance Magazine had an article on thier "dyno testing" of the Direct Power System from K & G Racing, Japan.

It was even mentioned on the cover, titled "Gain 12whp in 5 minutes."

I photocopied the article (I wasn't going to pay for that junk) and read it, it made me sick. They tested the dps, claimed the dyno showed increaeed HP, showed the dyno results. The author stated he felt it seemed strange, but it worked. He admitted they couldn't get the metal box open due to a strange patterned torx head screw (it seems K & G changed to a metal box and screwed the lid on aftewr you cracked it so easy). They went ahead and published th article without getting inside and seeing what it truely is.

Now many innocent people will read this article and think the DPS is worth the $$. The price is now between $200-$500 depending on the "model and type of DPS."

This scam has gotten much worse, besides "model specific" DPS systems and "type torque," etc, now the prices are worse.

I emailed Turbo (a Primedia mag) and included all the info I had, the saved pics, etc. I doubt it will do anything though.

I though you might want to know these jerks are now pulbished in a well know magazine which claimes the POS works well and adds power.

I don't know if there is anything we can do, but this thing is a scam and I feel horrible that people will now read the article and think it is a legit product.

 

I tried to post the scanned pictures of the photocopied article, but there seems to be something wrong with the image posting.

Anyways, sorry I couldn't post it. The best I can do is this link to Turbos page, it shows the magazine cover, with the reference to the article at the top.

http://www.turbomagazine.com/toc/0409tur_toc/index.html

 

It kinda shows you what kind of "dyno testing" Turbo magazines actually did, doesn't it? I've always complained about how unreliable compact sports car magazines are...

 

As soon as I got the issue in my mail I called up Evan Griffey and gave him the entire spiel on the DPS fiasco. He did not appear too surprised to hear it. He said they were going to do some more testing on the product and publish what they found. I found it very odd

On another note, I got Kuwano (the manufacturer of the DPS in Japan) to send me a few of their new DPSs to try out. They said it should be at my door steps this week - fun fun fun!!!

 

The DPS isn't a scam. It really works.

 

Why don't you read the thread before you make a statement like that? And if you're so sure it works, please refute all the evidence that's been provided with some hard facts and data. Otherwise, you just look stupid.

 

Primedia must share their "data" between all their different magazines. In the October issue of Import Tuner, on page 137 they have a dyno test of a Direct Power Systems Ground Kit on a '04 MR-S Spyder.

Its just a silver box with three wires coming from it; two for the battery terminals and the third to the engine block. They claim 1 - 2 HP gained and get this for only $310. Anybody with half a brain would look at the dyno curves and wonder "what gains?" and "where?"


"We are still scratching our heads on how this little box makes power, but it does."

"We've seen gains as high as 18HP on some turbocharged applications."


We shouldn't feel so bad about performance mods for our Z's. They added an Injen intake ($250) that gained 2.1HP and a TRD Sports Exhaust ($777.98) that gained 0.9HP along with the DPS gain of 1.6HP. That's a whopping 4.6HP for only $1337.98

 

Well, if you feel the need to get their "new" DPS and test it, then more power to you. However, I'll never beleive that companies line. They are BS artists and scam artists. If it weren't for Jessie, We'd never know how messed up the whole DPS scam was in the first place.

I guess an old saying says it best...once bitten twice shy. After the stunts that where pulled and the scams the DPS was last time, I'll never believe or fall for it.

As with all scam artists, I am sure they just laid back and regrouped trying to figure out a better way to scam after Jessie caught em red handed last time. DPS's "tuned" for torque, boosted and Vtec apps?" Please, it's a big metal grounding box, think about it...what metal is and does...it's nonsense.

No offense, but it looks like they figured out their next scam with that, plus the new prices are obscenly higher and they got a major magazine to fall for it to boot....just sad. Makes you wonder about other things turbo/primedia has printed...

I know I'm sure as heck not paying them $75 for that junk for the "cheap model", nor $500 for there "top tuned" model. Tuned? For specfically vtec, torque, boost or specific car models like an evo or Z? It's a metal grounding box!!! It grounds a car!!! It's not worth $500, period. It's not worth $75, it's just a scam. Their mistake last time was the plastic box. Plastic doesn't ground. Metal grounds plastic doesn't. Making the box metal solved that little issue. It's an easy and cheap fix to allow for relanch of the scam, with enough added metal for the hopeful purpose of grounding to throw people off.

On a side note, Turbo did an article last year on "how dynos can lie"..it was called "Dynos Lie, We prove it!" I would say that's probably not too far off from this case.

Just my 2 cents...

If you get this "new DPS" and really want us to actually listen to anything about it if you decide you like it, then send one to Jessie again. Have him do his un-basied testing and report, same as before. He was very honest and impartical last time, just as he said he would be. I'm still waiting to here Jessie's take on all this new non-sense.