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Old 01-17-2006 | 07:35 AM
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Cant wait to see the results...My car must have been weak from the factory b.c my best dyno was 247 w. i/h/e, pulley, spacer,and a reflash; and I trap real low at the track. Drives me nuts!
Old 01-17-2006 | 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by G I Love My Car
I am not saying that the #'s are right or wrong but I am saying that is HP the dyno said and there is NO WAY cp or sharif fondled those numbers to benifit them.
He said "fondled"...

Subscribing to this... might be N/A 'till the end of the year. Need some hope.

*EDIT* Oh yeah, for all the "haters"... Dynos and cars differ from day-to-day. My DSM dyno'd 212hp/219tq one day and 225hp/231tq another and even 203hp/216tq on another. Same dyno. No changes to the car (besides regular maintainence-which could be a factor here...). There's no doubt in my mind that his car could make those numbers on the Dynojet. But unlike Alberto, my "boys" are too precious to put on the line.

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Old 01-17-2006 | 07:48 AM
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I know, I was gettin excited this morning I just wanted to call someone out, no bad feelings, my valium has since kicked in.
Old 01-17-2006 | 07:53 AM
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This thread is funny! Subscribing to see if Alberto gets his nuts kicked.
Old 01-17-2006 | 08:08 AM
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Hey G have you ever tracked this Z? I'm curious to see the results...
Old 01-17-2006 | 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by bboypuertoroc
He said "fondled"...

Subscribing to this... might be N/A 'till the end of the year. Need some hope.

*EDIT* Oh yeah, for all the "haters"... Dynos and cars differ from day-to-day. My DSM dyno'd 212hp/219tq one day and 225hp/231tq another and even 203hp/216tq on another. Same dyno. No changes to the car (besides regular maintainence-which could be a factor here...). There's no doubt in my mind that his car could make those numbers on the Dynojet. But unlike Alberto, my "boys" are too precious to put on the line.
That is because the dyno makes internal calibrations for atmospheric conditions, should only account for a +or- of 2-5 hp..
Old 01-17-2006 | 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
Yes but if the dynojet correction was incorrect to begin with it would throw the numbers off by a percentage, which would grow to be a greater difference as the HP# grew..As it 10% of 300 is more than 10% of 100 just for illistrative purposes. Only Wed will tell what a true Dynojet # would be..
well im just hoping that we can do some factual comparisons on what the gains really were. for all we know that 25x whp number he got after boltons could have been lower than what he would have baselined.

if we have a baseline showing he dynoed 240whp on this dyno, now he has 315whp then we have a 75whp gain, which is amazing to say the least in comparison to other na z's.
Old 01-17-2006 | 08:17 AM
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Zland brings up a good point. Clearly, numbers are going to vary by dyno, and even by the day. Same car same dyno, but different day can produce different results. I am sure we'll see something near 300whp.....thats my best guess.
Old 01-17-2006 | 08:57 AM
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I can't wait until Thursday so I have an 18 wheeler dropping of a Dyno Jet in your drive way today. Post the numbers tonite!
Old 01-17-2006 | 09:00 AM
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well... for comparitive purposes it matters a lot what he puts down. because for comparitive purposes only, you guys are adding 13% to everything your dyno reads. it better not vary much at all... because the entire purpose of your 13% is to take care of that variance... i thought???
Old 01-17-2006 | 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by G I Love My Car
thwack or what ever it is, from day one u have been dumpin on anybody that dynos NA higher than u, even the first time I got mine at 272 you had something to say. Its not cp's fault or sharif fault or the dynos fault, I have a strong motor. And anyway its a number who really gives a F**K anyway, a number is a number. I only posted it because I wanted to let everyone know that 300 is possiable without breaking the motor open, and yes we have done that. And sponsers attacking sponsers is retarded, we are a group of men and women on here and there is no reason to attack the way some people have over a number espically ones that are getting this exact dyno that they are bashing. I am not saying that the #'s are right or wrong but I am saying that is HP the dyno said and there is NO WAY cp or sharif fondled those numbers to benifit them. I am going to get it dynoed on a dynojet and we will see what happens, which I am sure if I hit 300 everyone will say there is a problem with that dyno and if I dont everyone will say cp or sharif is wrong.

The skepticism comes from two things I think.

1. We had a guy on the boards, early on, buy all the n/a mods possible and had them installed and dynoed. His dyno came out 300hp. That was crazy high compared to everyone else. We all called BS and he went and had it dynoed on a dynojet and the results were quite a bit less than 300hp.

2. You have to take some of the responsibility for the hostile nature of this thread. You titled it: Who said it can't be done? That's basically saying I rule and you all suck. There have been some serious shops working on a 300hp na car and not one has come up with a solution to cracking it, let alone 314.

I personally hope its true, it would really be amazing. It might convince me to re-mod my car. (Recently went back to stock) But 25-30hp from an emanage ultimate seems pretty optimistic even for two known great tuners. That guy Ritche from Aussie has NISMO heads, cams and everthing else hooked up with a Motec and a professional tuner and I don't think he's hit those numbers, Adam at Z1 has a UTEC and quite a few mods and didn't get that much, the Crawford guys have been trying for months/years? to do it as well. Plus a local guy who's at 292 and he has everything possible except emanage or utec, if this is true, I know what his next mod is!!Congrats to your tuners if you did it, because the mods you have don't equal that power from a historical point of view.

I'm not flaming, just explaining the resistance. Good luck I hope the numbers bear out on Thursday. Thanks for posting the a/f graph. Looks top quality!! BTW, even if you "only" get 300hp at the wheels, you still will be the top dog.

So, Sharif, Emanage Ultimate or UTEC?? Which do you prefer?

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Old 01-17-2006 | 11:14 AM
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Originally Posted by zillinois
The skepticism comes from two things I think.

1. We had a guy on the boards, early on, buy all the n/a mods possible and had them installed and dynoed. His dyno came out 300hp. That was crazy high compared to everyone else. We all called BS and he went and had it dynoed on a dynojet and the results were quite a bit less than 300hp.

2. You have to take some of the responsibility for the hostile nature of this thread. You titled it: Who said it can't be done? That's basically saying I rule and you all suck. There have been some serious shops working on a 300hp na car and not one has come up with a solution to cracking it, let alone 314.

I personally hope its true, it would really be amazing. It might convince me to re-mod my car. (Recently went back to stock) But 25-30hp from an emanage ultimate seems pretty optimistic even for two known great tuners. That guy Ritche from Aussie has NISMO heads, cams and everthing else hooked up with a Motec and a professional tuner and I don't think he's hit those numbers, Adam at Z1 has a UTEC and quite a few mods and didn't get that much, the Crawford guys have been trying for months/years? to do it as well. Plus a local guy who's at 292 and he has everything possible except emanage or utec, if this is true, I know what his next mod is!!Congrats to your tuners if you did it, because the mods you have don't equal that power from a historical point of view.

I'm not flaming, just explaining the resistance. Good luck I hope the numbers bear out on Thursday. Thanks for posting the a/f graph. Looks top quality!! BTW, even if you "only" get 300hp at the wheels, you still will be the top dog.

So, Sharif, Emanage Ultimate or UTEC?? Which do you prefer?
Well said. Doug from crawford has HUGE cams with an emanage ultimate over a relfash and still doesnt have 300rwhp yet.
Old 01-17-2006 | 11:16 AM
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I have a 2003 track model as well and when I went in last time to get my car tuned at dynocomp with the emanage ultimate and all my NA mods I made 272whp on their dyno dynamics dyno. I was told by the tuner that was the highest NA Z they've had there and should in theory be close to 300whp on a dynojet. I think that was without correction maybe? I'm not saying I think my tuner 's right or not, that's just what he told me.

I haven't dynoed on a dynojet since then, but previously I made 281whp on one with running really really lean (before the emanage ultimate, JIC Y-pipe, and Injen 1986sp intake)

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Old 01-17-2006 | 12:29 PM
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Allow me to clarify, The skepticism is not with Shariff, Eric or the Dyno Dynamics Dyno, which IMO is the best Dyno available, which is why we plopped down the 50G's in cash to buy one..However, what the real issue is that a Dyno Dynamics Dyno reads very similar to a Mustang Dyno, which IMO is more accurate than a Dyno Jet and its 3000lb inertia rollers.. When correction percentages come into play so that someone can see an "ESTIMATE" of what kind of HP they might be making on a different type of dyno,there becomes conflict...I say just leave the Dyno Dynamics #s alone and let them read what they read, and run your car not your Dyno Slip, however 90% of people are looking for that big Dyno # no matter what.
I have seen great fluctuation from Dyno to Dyno..We made 428whp on a DD dyno and then corrected the car to 490whp Dyno jet #'s, then went to an actual Dyno jet and pulled 470whp..Then went to a different Dyno jet and pulled 498whp..So it really does not matter in the end, does it..My time slip does not lie and shows a 126mph trap speed at 12.0 with a 2.3 60ft rolling off the line with no launch..I know may car is fast and I dont need a Dyno slip to prove it, simply 1300 feet of open road..lol
A Dyno is simply a tool used to tune and test a vehicle in a safe controlled environment..
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Originally Posted by MRC Motorsports
Allow me to clarify, The skepticism is not with Shariff, Eric or the Dyno Dynamics Dyno, which IMO is the best Dyno available, which is why we plopped down the 50G's in cash to buy one..However, what the real issue is that a Dyno Dynamics Dyno reads very similar to a Mustang Dyno, which IMO is more accurate than a Dyno Jet and its 3000lb inertia rollers.. When correction percentages come into play so that someone can see an "ESTIMATE" of what kind of HP they might be making on a different type of dyno,there becomes conflict...I say just leave the Dyno Dynamics #s alone and let them read what they read, and run your car not your Dyno Slip, however 90% of people are looking for that big Dyno # no matter what.
I have seen great fluctuation from Dyno to Dyno..We made 428whp on a DD dyno and then corrected the car to 490whp Dyno jet #'s, then went to an actual Dyno jet and pulled 470whp..Then went to a different Dyno jet and pulled 498whp..So it really does not matter in the end, does it..My time slip does not lie and shows a 126mph trap speed at 12.0 with a 2.3 60ft rolling off the line with no launch..I know may car is fast and I dont need a Dyno slip to prove it, simply 1300 feet of open road..lol
A Dyno is simply a tool used to tune and test a vehicle in a safe controlled environment..
Types of dynos's give different numbers but also the procedure in which the car is dyno'ed creates variations. Again, i suggest you agree upon a dyno procedure. Temps etc have to be monitored and controlled etc...
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well alberto....heres something for you to think about..http://media.spikedhumor.com/1112/ki...n_the_nuts.wmv
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well alberto....heres something for you to think about..http://media.spikedhumor.com/1112/ki...n_the_nuts.wmv
whoah, 55k potential kicks to his sack. i hope you have ***** of steel, alberto!
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Originally Posted by zland
Types of dynos's give different numbers but also the procedure in which the car is dyno'ed creates variations. Again, i suggest you agree upon a dyno procedure. Temps etc have to be monitored and controlled etc...
Zland, I think the participants here understand they are doing this mainly for fun, and the scientific methodogly of this ad-hoc test is going to be flawed. I think most of us, myself included, are just curious to see the DJ numbers. As mentioned, if its anywhere near 300whp give or take...I think everyone will be happy.

Even if we run his car again on the DD, its doubtful we'll get precisely the same numbers.
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Like Shariff said, its more for fun, than science...Perhaps Z sport can do a writeup on how Dynos differ and why..You know, like take the same car to 5 or 6 different dynos..
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Originally Posted by momo 350z
well alberto....heres something for you to think about..http://media.spikedhumor.com/1112/ki...n_the_nuts.wmv
I dont want to go to ZDay now if this car dyno's 300whp again Im gonna have guys running up to me doing that $hit-Im still young, but I would like to have kids some day....



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