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color me not impressed, 305 whp from a fully built 3.5L V6 is pathetic when u see na k20's (which are 4 bangers for those that don't know) putting out 320+ whp. then u look at the cost to get 305 whp on the vq and it really gets ugly
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Originally Posted by warmmilk
color me not impressed, 305 whp from a fully built 3.5L V6 is pathetic when u see na k20's (which are 4 bangers for those that don't know) putting out 320+ whp. then u look at the cost to get 305 whp on the vq and it really gets ugly
btw, i just got the latest top of the line flame suit, and i'm wearing it
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color me not impressed, 305 whp from a fully built 3.5L V6 is pathetic when u see na k20's (which are 4 bangers for those that don't know) putting out 320+ whp. then u look at the cost to get 305 whp on the vq and it really gets ugly
btw, i just got the latest top of the line flame suit, and i'm wearing it
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Yes, displacement wise the VQ is not making as much whp as these other four banger motors but TQ wise there is much more area under the curve which is what really matters.
Just because something about the VQ (which is a Nissan engineered vs. Honda engineered battle) keeps it from making mad whp NA does not mean that what jeremy has done isn't impressive.
Show a lil respect by at least trying to compare his work to the work that others have done on the VQ instead of saying how a different motor in a different car that has nothing to do with the Z makes more WHP.
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ok sorry, i wasn't meaning to bash jeremy, after rereading my post, thats what it sounds like, again, i apologyze, i respect and appreciate greatly the fact that he put his time and money into this so that i don't have to waste mine
but i was bashing nissan for making a ****ty performance engine. i mean its a great engine if ur keeping it stock or near stock (bolt ons, maybe cams). but the numbers are very dissappointing for the amount of work and money put into this
i don't have time right now to find u a link of a 300+ whp k20, i'll do that during lunch and post a link, but it has been done by a number of people, and not to mention a number of people running 600ish whp on a turbo k20 with a bone stock block
again, public apology to jeremy, i missworded my original post, and did not mean to bash on jeremy
but i was bashing nissan for making a ****ty performance engine. i mean its a great engine if ur keeping it stock or near stock (bolt ons, maybe cams). but the numbers are very dissappointing for the amount of work and money put into this
i don't have time right now to find u a link of a 300+ whp k20, i'll do that during lunch and post a link, but it has been done by a number of people, and not to mention a number of people running 600ish whp on a turbo k20 with a bone stock block
again, public apology to jeremy, i missworded my original post, and did not mean to bash on jeremy
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Originally Posted by warmmilk
ok sorry, i wasn't meaning to bash jeremy, after rereading my post, thats what it sounds like, again, i apologyze, i respect and appreciate greatly the fact that he put his time and money into this so that i don't have to waste mine
but i was bashing nissan for making a ****ty performance engine. i mean its a great engine if ur keeping it stock or near stock (bolt ons, maybe cams). but the numbers are very dissappointing for the amount of work and money put into this
i don't have time right now to find u a link of a 300+ whp k20, i'll do that during lunch and post a link, but it has been done by a number of people, and not to mention a number of people running 600ish whp on a turbo k20 with a bone stock block
again, public apology to jeremy, i missworded my original post, and did not mean to bash on jeremy
but i was bashing nissan for making a ****ty performance engine. i mean its a great engine if ur keeping it stock or near stock (bolt ons, maybe cams). but the numbers are very dissappointing for the amount of work and money put into this
i don't have time right now to find u a link of a 300+ whp k20, i'll do that during lunch and post a link, but it has been done by a number of people, and not to mention a number of people running 600ish whp on a turbo k20 with a bone stock block
again, public apology to jeremy, i missworded my original post, and did not mean to bash on jeremy
LOL! The fact that the car doesn't get much more HP from bolt-ons is IMO a testament to how WELL Nissan engineers did engineering the motor. They squeezed every little bit of power out of it they could for decent cost.... A properly designed motor will need alot more than just bolt-ons to increase it's power, which is why it's so expensive to get more HP out of the VQ35 - it's a well designed motor. Why else was it in the top 10 best motors list for so long? There are people who have done a little over 500 whp on a stock block on the Z as well, but we both know on both motors it will reduce the reliability significantly. There are a few people in the 800's on the VQ35 (built motor) who are on this board that I've seen post. And again, the torque of the VQ35, especially placed over the entire RPM band and not peaky like most 4 cylinder FI engines allows for much faster average acceleration even if the max HP number is lower.
Comparing the K20 FI to the VQ35 NA isn't anything impressive... Name me another NA 3.5L 6 cylinder that puts down over 300 whp.
I probably shouldn't of even responded to this comment...
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the lexus is350, also a 3.5L v6, puts down better power than the vq, 13.6 1/4 bone stock miles times are a testament to that
and i was never saying that the k20 is a better motor than the vq, and i wasn't comparing what the 2 gain from bolt ons, i said that the vq is a good motor if u plan on doing bolt ons only, its an average engine as far as gains with bolt ons goes. from what i've seen, full bolt ons gain about 30-40 hp over stock, thats about the same as the k20, and yes i know the vq puts down much more torque than the k20, and the k20 is in no way a better motor than the vq othere than more power per liter. and i never compared and na vq to an fi k20
what i was saying is that gains r minimal when u modify internals and go with a high compression ratio like this engine has and wanna get real power, 300-320 whp isn't impressive from a 3.5L
and i was never saying that the k20 is a better motor than the vq, and i wasn't comparing what the 2 gain from bolt ons, i said that the vq is a good motor if u plan on doing bolt ons only, its an average engine as far as gains with bolt ons goes. from what i've seen, full bolt ons gain about 30-40 hp over stock, thats about the same as the k20, and yes i know the vq puts down much more torque than the k20, and the k20 is in no way a better motor than the vq othere than more power per liter. and i never compared and na vq to an fi k20
what i was saying is that gains r minimal when u modify internals and go with a high compression ratio like this engine has and wanna get real power, 300-320 whp isn't impressive from a 3.5L
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Originally Posted by warmmilk
the lexus is350, also a 3.5L v6, puts down better power than the vq, 13.6 1/4 bone stock miles times are a testament to that
and i was never saying that the k20 is a better motor than the vq, and i wasn't comparing what the 2 gain from bolt ons, i said that the vq is a good motor if u plan on doing bolt ons only, its an average engine as far as gains with bolt ons goes. from what i've seen, full bolt ons gain about 30-40 hp over stock, thats about the same as the k20, and yes i know the vq puts down much more torque than the k20, and the k20 is in no way a better motor than the vq othere than more power per liter. and i never compared and na vq to an fi k20
what i was saying is that gains r minimal when u modify internals and go with a high compression ratio like this engine has and wanna get real power, 300-320 whp isn't impressive from a 3.5L
and i was never saying that the k20 is a better motor than the vq, and i wasn't comparing what the 2 gain from bolt ons, i said that the vq is a good motor if u plan on doing bolt ons only, its an average engine as far as gains with bolt ons goes. from what i've seen, full bolt ons gain about 30-40 hp over stock, thats about the same as the k20, and yes i know the vq puts down much more torque than the k20, and the k20 is in no way a better motor than the vq othere than more power per liter. and i never compared and na vq to an fi k20
what i was saying is that gains r minimal when u modify internals and go with a high compression ratio like this engine has and wanna get real power, 300-320 whp isn't impressive from a 3.5L
comapre the HR to the is350s motor both are new. The reg vq was putting 287 crank out out when that motor was getting blueprinted. LOL
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Originally Posted by warmmilk
ok sorry, i wasn't meaning to bash jeremy, after rereading my post, thats what it sounds like, again, i apologyze, i respect and appreciate greatly the fact that he put his time and money into this so that i don't have to waste mine
but i was bashing nissan for making a ****ty performance engine. i mean its a great engine if ur keeping it stock or near stock (bolt ons, maybe cams). but the numbers are very dissappointing for the amount of work and money put into this
i don't have time right now to find u a link of a 300+ whp k20, i'll do that during lunch and post a link, but it has been done by a number of people, and not to mention a number of people running 600ish whp on a turbo k20 with a bone stock block
again, public apology to jeremy, i missworded my original post, and did not mean to bash on jeremy
but i was bashing nissan for making a ****ty performance engine. i mean its a great engine if ur keeping it stock or near stock (bolt ons, maybe cams). but the numbers are very dissappointing for the amount of work and money put into this
i don't have time right now to find u a link of a 300+ whp k20, i'll do that during lunch and post a link, but it has been done by a number of people, and not to mention a number of people running 600ish whp on a turbo k20 with a bone stock block
again, public apology to jeremy, i missworded my original post, and did not mean to bash on jeremy
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Originally Posted by warmmilk
the lexus is350, also a 3.5L v6, puts down better power than the vq, 13.6 1/4 bone stock miles times are a testament to that
and i was never saying that the k20 is a better motor than the vq, and i wasn't comparing what the 2 gain from bolt ons, i said that the vq is a good motor if u plan on doing bolt ons only, its an average engine as far as gains with bolt ons goes. from what i've seen, full bolt ons gain about 30-40 hp over stock, thats about the same as the k20, and yes i know the vq puts down much more torque than the k20, and the k20 is in no way a better motor than the vq othere than more power per liter. and i never compared and na vq to an fi k20
what i was saying is that gains r minimal when u modify internals and go with a high compression ratio like this engine has and wanna get real power, 300-320 whp isn't impressive from a 3.5L
and i was never saying that the k20 is a better motor than the vq, and i wasn't comparing what the 2 gain from bolt ons, i said that the vq is a good motor if u plan on doing bolt ons only, its an average engine as far as gains with bolt ons goes. from what i've seen, full bolt ons gain about 30-40 hp over stock, thats about the same as the k20, and yes i know the vq puts down much more torque than the k20, and the k20 is in no way a better motor than the vq othere than more power per liter. and i never compared and na vq to an fi k20
what i was saying is that gains r minimal when u modify internals and go with a high compression ratio like this engine has and wanna get real power, 300-320 whp isn't impressive from a 3.5L
1) The IS350 motor has a compression ratio of 11.8 to 1 and it has direct injection which means they can run that compression ratio on pump gas and not pull too much timing.
2) Nissan has n/a race engines and so does renault which is who the motors were designed by that are past 400 n/a hp.
3) The nismo 380RS C in japan right now has over 400 n/a horsepower.
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when i see a 400 na hp vq on this side of the pond thats streetable (race gas is fine), i'll be impressed, i don't count factory built race engines that cost 30k+
u keep bringing up awards, i'll repeat my self again, if u plan on keeping the engine stock (like the way it won the awards) its a great engine
and about the is350, someone asked for an example of another 3.5L v6 making 300 hp so i gave them one.
the vq is a great engine stock like i've said many times before. but to get truly impressive numbers (400ish whp) out of it na, u have to spend enough to buy another Z
u keep bringing up awards, i'll repeat my self again, if u plan on keeping the engine stock (like the way it won the awards) its a great engine
and about the is350, someone asked for an example of another 3.5L v6 making 300 hp so i gave them one.
the vq is a great engine stock like i've said many times before. but to get truly impressive numbers (400ish whp) out of it na, u have to spend enough to buy another Z
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^^ 305rwhp out of a nonrevup VQ3.5L DE IS IMPRESSIVE. Considering these motors are damn near maxed out from the factory. That's the whole point of this thread!
Everyone around here knows you hardly ever see 300rwhp NA in a Z...everyone wants it, but it's very difficult. That's why we're all congratulating Jeremy for his great innovative efforts!
Everyone around here knows you hardly ever see 300rwhp NA in a Z...everyone wants it, but it's very difficult. That's why we're all congratulating Jeremy for his great innovative efforts!
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[QUOTE=97supratt]You sir are not very familiar with engines.
1) The IS350 motor has a compression ratio of 11.8 to 1 and it has direct injection which means they can run that compression ratio on pump gas and not pull too much timing.
2) Nissan has n/a race engines and so does renault which is who the motors were designed by that are past 400 n/a hp.
3) The nismo 380RS C in japan right now has over 400 n/a horsepower.[/QUOTE]
Correction. It makes 395hp NA. Still more than 100hp/L.
1) The IS350 motor has a compression ratio of 11.8 to 1 and it has direct injection which means they can run that compression ratio on pump gas and not pull too much timing.
2) Nissan has n/a race engines and so does renault which is who the motors were designed by that are past 400 n/a hp.
3) The nismo 380RS C in japan right now has over 400 n/a horsepower.[/QUOTE]
Correction. It makes 395hp NA. Still more than 100hp/L.
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Originally Posted by warmmilk
color me not impressed, 305 whp from a fully built 3.5L V6 is pathetic when u see na k20's (which are 4 bangers for those that don't know) putting out 320+ whp. then u look at the cost to get 305 whp on the vq and it really gets ugly
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Originally Posted by warmmilk
ok sorry, i wasn't meaning to bash jeremy, after rereading my post, thats what it sounds like, again, i apologyze, i respect and appreciate greatly the fact that he put his time and money into this so that i don't have to waste mine
but i was bashing nissan for making a ****ty performance engine. i mean its a great engine if ur keeping it stock or near stock (bolt ons, maybe cams). but the numbers are very dissappointing for the amount of work and money put into this
i don't have time right now to find u a link of a 300+ whp k20, i'll do that during lunch and post a link, but it has been done by a number of people, and not to mention a number of people running 600ish whp on a turbo k20 with a bone stock block
again, public apology to jeremy, i missworded my original post, and did not mean to bash on jeremy
but i was bashing nissan for making a ****ty performance engine. i mean its a great engine if ur keeping it stock or near stock (bolt ons, maybe cams). but the numbers are very dissappointing for the amount of work and money put into this
i don't have time right now to find u a link of a 300+ whp k20, i'll do that during lunch and post a link, but it has been done by a number of people, and not to mention a number of people running 600ish whp on a turbo k20 with a bone stock block
again, public apology to jeremy, i missworded my original post, and did not mean to bash on jeremy
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my question to you sir. wtf do you expect nissan engineers to produce for a sub 30k sports car with a v6? ill tell you what, i think they did a helluva job.
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http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=308216
thats one 300whp k20 (ok its a k26), and if u read the thread, its on a bad tune
http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=270906
here is a k22, this is on a dynopack, so dynojet #'s would be 250-260, but this one still on a stock head, so add cams and a nice port and polish and u'd be really close to if not over 300whp on a dynojet
and this one takes that cake
http://www.intrinsicperformance.com/K10.html
362 whp
thats one 300whp k20 (ok its a k26), and if u read the thread, its on a bad tune
http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread.php?t=270906
here is a k22, this is on a dynopack, so dynojet #'s would be 250-260, but this one still on a stock head, so add cams and a nice port and polish and u'd be really close to if not over 300whp on a dynojet
and this one takes that cake
http://www.intrinsicperformance.com/K10.html
362 whp
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[QUOTE=Nismo 350z]
the 3.8 RS is the engine that we all want. I say just stroke the btch its being done by one member lol. What jeremy is doing is unchartered for the most part. Really just a test and tune. To find out wheres the ladder.
Originally Posted by 97supratt
You sir are not very familiar with engines.
1) The IS350 motor has a compression ratio of 11.8 to 1 and it has direct injection which means they can run that compression ratio on pump gas and not pull too much timing.
2) Nissan has n/a race engines and so does renault which is who the motors were designed by that are past 400 n/a hp.
3) The nismo 380RS C in japan right now has over 400 n/a horsepower.[/QUOTE]
Correction. It makes 395hp NA. Still more than 100hp/L.
1) The IS350 motor has a compression ratio of 11.8 to 1 and it has direct injection which means they can run that compression ratio on pump gas and not pull too much timing.
2) Nissan has n/a race engines and so does renault which is who the motors were designed by that are past 400 n/a hp.
3) The nismo 380RS C in japan right now has over 400 n/a horsepower.[/QUOTE]
Correction. It makes 395hp NA. Still more than 100hp/L.