ENEOS OIL???? What do you guys think?
Originally Posted by Jo@ShopJspec
Now even after we test the Eneos vs the mobile 1 and others, would you still buy mobile 1 if eneos was proven better?
lets see. simply put all oil comes from the same crudeness. I believe the only difference is the special detergents each company uses to heighten the attributes of it's product. Prove ones better than the other with out all the propaganda and maybe i'll use it. Otherwise ima stick with Total Lubricants!! plus its cheaper then both eneos and mobil!!
http://www.total.com/
http://www.elfoil.com.au/
http://www.elfoils.us/lub/lubusa.nsf...?OpenDocument&
also goes by the Liter so for the $ i get .06 more per liter compared to a qt. and it's cheaper then qts of the other 2. If you've got a shop i'd go with it!
Last edited by Dr. Venture; Apr 30, 2008 at 09:00 PM.
Originally Posted by Dr. Venture
lets see. simply put all oil comes from the same crudeness. I believe the only difference is the special detergents each company uses to heighten the attributes of it's product.
Originally Posted by redlude97
WAT
Basically it's almost all the same crap to begin with, like a $160 Jordan Sneaker compared to a $15.00 Maurbury sneaker. all the same materials are used. Its the NAME your paying for!!!
I hope this isn't dyno testing....since it is impossible to establish a cause and effect relationship between oils, when trying to split hairs between 2-5whp on a dyno run. Things like heat soak, tire temps, and a whole host of other factors will result in inconsistent and spurious results. Make 3 passes with the same car...no changes, and I guarantee the results will vary by at least 2-3whp without doing anything differently.
Best test, as others had mentioned, is driving an NA car for 3000-4000 miles with each oil, and then sending the oil off for analysis.
In regards to Eneos specifically, it is very popular in Japan. We carry it as well, just to give our customers some more variety, and a little bit lower price point on some of the oils. Is it better than others?? How do you define better?
Some folks show below average lab results with Motul, but we swear by it....and have torn down high powered race engines with 30K miles on them, with almost no signs of bearing wear. It also has very low burn off, when compared to some of the other oils we have tried.
Best test, as others had mentioned, is driving an NA car for 3000-4000 miles with each oil, and then sending the oil off for analysis.
In regards to Eneos specifically, it is very popular in Japan. We carry it as well, just to give our customers some more variety, and a little bit lower price point on some of the oils. Is it better than others?? How do you define better?
Some folks show below average lab results with Motul, but we swear by it....and have torn down high powered race engines with 30K miles on them, with almost no signs of bearing wear. It also has very low burn off, when compared to some of the other oils we have tried.
Let me ask you something. This oil for you is special order? like when you run out you'll have to restock more and more to keep up, depending on how much oil you use? The avg joe knows certain oils. Example, some of my customer's REQUEST mobile 1, or Castrol. Never heard a person actually till this post talk about Eneos. I'd stick with what customer's know and want in order to sell. What you do behind closed doors is another factor but if you've got P in the A customer's who sometimes watch over you when requesting some oils then Eneos is gonna go to waste! im just talking from a business aspect.
Originally Posted by Dr. Venture
i dont understand why your all running 0 type oils. its 2 thin of an oil to me.
You really do need to read through this whole thread.
https://my350z.com/forum/engine-and-drivetrain/258663-vq-oil-analysis-and-info.html
Originally Posted by Resolute
In any case, yes, you can run a 0W-30 year-round without an issue.
It used to be that straight weight oils were the most stable, because they didn't have any viscosity index improvers in the formula, which are susceptible to shear.
As time went on, ad multi-grade oils became the norm, people realized that oils with low viscosity spreads would use less VII's than oils with higher viscosity spreads. Thus, a 10W-30 was seen as more shear stable than a 5W-30.
Now, chemistry has made these notions obsolete. In fact, a recent SAE technical paper identified several 0W-xx oils as being the most shear stable, over traditional 5W-xx and 10W-xx oils. This is because a 0W-x oil will use higher quality base stocks that don't need any VII's to achieve the grade. German Castrol 0W-30 is a prime example. The PAO base stocks used in this oil have a natural viscosity index to achieve the 0W-30 oil grade all on their own, with very little VII's included in the formula. Mobil1's 0W-xx oils are the same way.
It used to be that straight weight oils were the most stable, because they didn't have any viscosity index improvers in the formula, which are susceptible to shear.
As time went on, ad multi-grade oils became the norm, people realized that oils with low viscosity spreads would use less VII's than oils with higher viscosity spreads. Thus, a 10W-30 was seen as more shear stable than a 5W-30.
Now, chemistry has made these notions obsolete. In fact, a recent SAE technical paper identified several 0W-xx oils as being the most shear stable, over traditional 5W-xx and 10W-xx oils. This is because a 0W-x oil will use higher quality base stocks that don't need any VII's to achieve the grade. German Castrol 0W-30 is a prime example. The PAO base stocks used in this oil have a natural viscosity index to achieve the 0W-30 oil grade all on their own, with very little VII's included in the formula. Mobil1's 0W-xx oils are the same way.
Last edited by Mike Wazowski; May 5, 2008 at 04:22 AM.
From looking at my Shop Key, and seeing that the manufacturer is recommending...
API-SAE 5W-30 viscosity oil is preferred for all temperatures. SAE 10W-30 viscosity oils may be used if the ambient temperature is above 0Deg.F (-18Deg.C)
Im sure you can use w/e you want, but when they recommend premium gas, who puts regular??
If anything over the other was better i believe the manufacturer would be using it as well. Do we know something they don't? I doubt it!
I use 5W-30 Made from Total Lubricants/ELF. I've ran Mobile 1 before this, and i didn't like the way it felt or smelled when i beat it up a little bit.
May be all in my mind but so far Elf's been doing the Z good.
API-SAE 5W-30 viscosity oil is preferred for all temperatures. SAE 10W-30 viscosity oils may be used if the ambient temperature is above 0Deg.F (-18Deg.C)
Im sure you can use w/e you want, but when they recommend premium gas, who puts regular??
If anything over the other was better i believe the manufacturer would be using it as well. Do we know something they don't? I doubt it!
I use 5W-30 Made from Total Lubricants/ELF. I've ran Mobile 1 before this, and i didn't like the way it felt or smelled when i beat it up a little bit.
May be all in my mind but so far Elf's been doing the Z good.
Last edited by Dr. Venture; May 5, 2008 at 05:09 AM.
Originally Posted by Dr. Venture
From looking at my Shop Key, and seeing that the manufacturer is recommending...
API-SAE 5W-30 viscosity oil is preferred for all temperatures. SAE 10W-30 viscosity oils may be used if the ambient temperature is above 0Deg.F (-18Deg.C)
Im sure you can use w/e you want, but when they recommend premium gas, who puts regular??
If anything over the other was better i believe the manufacturer would be using it as well. Do we know something they don't? I doubt it!
I use 5W-30 Made from Total Lubricants/ELF. I've ran Mobile 1 before this, and i didn't like the way it felt or smelled when i beat it up a little bit.
May be all in my mind but so far Elf's been doing the Z good.
API-SAE 5W-30 viscosity oil is preferred for all temperatures. SAE 10W-30 viscosity oils may be used if the ambient temperature is above 0Deg.F (-18Deg.C)
Im sure you can use w/e you want, but when they recommend premium gas, who puts regular??
If anything over the other was better i believe the manufacturer would be using it as well. Do we know something they don't? I doubt it!
I use 5W-30 Made from Total Lubricants/ELF. I've ran Mobile 1 before this, and i didn't like the way it felt or smelled when i beat it up a little bit.
May be all in my mind but so far Elf's been doing the Z good.
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It all boils down to "$", since the API & SAE acronyms on the label certify good quality an ALL synths. $8 bucks a quart is s-t-e-e-p. I'm stickin' to MOBIL 1 (5W30), which I get at $5.99/qt.; &, when they have it on sale, at about $4.99, I buy various cases & stock up! Get with the program, ENEOS!!!
yeah man it's all the same ****. .only diff is the PRICE!!!!
I like ELF/Total due to the fact that i have an account with them, and i buy bulk.
But i dont know if the UOA's would help me any better than the fact that to me in my head i feel a difference.
But i shall try and get you your UOA's!
I like ELF/Total due to the fact that i have an account with them, and i buy bulk.
But i dont know if the UOA's would help me any better than the fact that to me in my head i feel a difference.
But i shall try and get you your UOA's!
Last edited by Dr. Venture; May 5, 2008 at 05:16 PM.
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