Notices
Engine & Drivetrain VQ Power and Delivery

brake horse power & others

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 01-25-2012, 11:26 AM
  #1  
Pikes 350
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
Pikes 350's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: 91214
Posts: 54
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default brake horse power & others

I had a question that has been bugging me for awhile about brake horsepower. I can't put in perspective of what it essentially means or looks like. How does it differ from horsepower and what does horsepower mean? how do these differ from torque and what does torque mean? Noob questions i know, but its better to be a seeking information noob then just a noob all in it self.

sorry if its in the wrong thread. i couldn't think of where else it might go and this generally relates to the 350z and any other car.
Pikes 350 is offline  
Old 01-25-2012, 11:41 AM
  #2  
jerseystyle
350Z-holic
iTrader: (22)
 
jerseystyle's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: FT Leonard Wood, MO
Posts: 5,134
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Default

How about you try HERE

IB4T

Last edited by jerseystyle; 01-25-2012 at 11:57 AM.
jerseystyle is offline  
Old 01-25-2012, 11:46 AM
  #3  
Pikes 350
Registered User
Thread Starter
 
Pikes 350's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: 91214
Posts: 54
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

how about i already did and only posted the question here because i needed a simpler explanation with examples
Pikes 350 is offline  
Old 01-25-2012, 11:49 AM
  #4  
CRIDDA
Registered User
iTrader: (10)
 
CRIDDA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: A-TOWN
Posts: 5,649
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts
Default

Horse power = the number of horses under your hood
Torque = Berto's big *** dog
CRIDDA is offline  
Old 01-25-2012, 12:51 PM
  #5  
trodis
350Z-holic
 
trodis's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Interwebz
Posts: 6,912
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default



Brake horsepower (bhp) is the measure of an engine's horsepower before the loss in power caused by the gearbox, alternator, differential, water pump, and other auxiliary components such as power steering pump, muffled exhaust system, etc. Brake refers to a device which was used to load an engine and hold it at a desired RPM. During testing, the output torque and rotational speed were measured to determine the brake horsepower. Horsepower was originally measured and calculated by use of the indicator (a James Watt invention of the late 18th century), and later by means of a De Prony brake connected to the engine's output shaft. More recently, an engine dynamometer is used instead of a De Prony brake. Although the output delivered to the driving wheels is less than that obtainable at the engine's crankshaft, a chassis dynamometer gives an indication of an engine's 'real world' horsepower after losses in the drive train and gearbox. This gives a reasonably accurate indication of how a wheeled vehicle engine will perform once on the road.
[edit]
Horsepower (hp) is the name of several units of measurement of power. The most common definitions equal between 735.5 and 750 watts.[1] Horsepower was originally defined to compare the output of steam engines with the power of draft horses in continuous operation. The unit was widely adopted to measure the output of piston engines, turbines, electric motors, and other machinery. The definition of the unit varied between geographical regions. Most countries now use the SI unit watt for measurement of power. With the implementation of the EU Directive 80/181/EEC on January 1, 2010, the use of horsepower in the EU is only permitted as supplementary unit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horsepo...cal_horsepower

Last edited by trodis; 01-25-2012 at 12:56 PM.
trodis is offline  
Old 01-25-2012, 12:55 PM
  #6  
deeno
Registered User
iTrader: (1)
 
deeno's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Jamaica, NY
Posts: 709
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Brake= left/middle peddle/pettle/pedal ? ( YO WTF?! you ever write something and you completely forget what the correct spelling is? Yup...just happened)

Horsepower= right peddle/pedal
deeno is offline  
Old 01-25-2012, 01:31 PM
  #7  
PerfZ
New Member
iTrader: (3)
 
PerfZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: hilliard ohio
Posts: 2,402
Received 14 Likes on 13 Posts
Default

Brake Horsepower (BHP) is measured at the engine. Not to be confused with Rear Wheel Horsepower (RWHP) that is measured at - get ready! - the rear wheels. There is generally a significant loss between the two - anywhere from 20-30%, maybe more. Car manufacturers claims are almost always BHP. When you see claims here, they are generally from a chassis dyno that measures it at the rear wheels.
PerfZ is offline  
Old 01-25-2012, 03:23 PM
  #8  
Vivid Racing
Sponsor
Vivid Racing
iTrader: (67)
 
Vivid Racing's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Gilbert,AZ
Posts: 4,078
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by PerfZ
Brake Horsepower (BHP) is measured at the engine. Not to be confused with Rear Wheel Horsepower (RWHP) that is measured at - get ready! - the rear wheels. There is generally a significant loss between the two - anywhere from 20-30%, maybe more. Car manufacturers claims are almost always BHP. When you see claims here, they are generally from a chassis dyno that measures it at the rear wheels.
Don't forget about FWHP or AWHP. I use "WHP" (wheel horsepower) as a blanket term.

Brake HP is also referred to as crank horsepower, or power at the crank. Sometimes called engine horsepower.

Torque is important in getting the car off the line. Let's say you have 2 identical cars (same chassis, transmission, tires, even the same powerband) but one car has 500whp and 100wtq while the other has 400whp with 300whtq. The car with more torque will get off the line quicker. This example could never happen in real life; it's theoretical.
Vivid Racing is offline  
Old 01-25-2012, 04:36 PM
  #9  
bbs350z
Registered User
iTrader: (85)
 
bbs350z's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Scottsdale AZ
Posts: 6,662
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Default

20-30% drivetrain loss sounds very extreme. i could see 20% for an awd car with a steel driveshaft, but generally for rwd its in hte neighborhood of 15% or so
bbs350z is offline  
Old 01-25-2012, 06:27 PM
  #10  
PerfZ
New Member
iTrader: (3)
 
PerfZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: hilliard ohio
Posts: 2,402
Received 14 Likes on 13 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Vivid Racing
Don't forget about FWHP or AWHP. I use "WHP" (wheel horsepower) as a blanket term.

Brake HP is also referred to as crank horsepower, or power at the crank. Sometimes called engine horsepower.

Torque is important in getting the car off the line. Let's say you have 2 identical cars (same chassis, transmission, tires, even the same powerband) but one car has 500whp and 100wtq while the other has 400whp with 300whtq. The car with more torque will get off the line quicker. This example could never happen in real life; it's theoretical.
I was trying to KISS - keep it simple stupid - for both of our benefits, lol.

Originally Posted by bbs350z
20-30% drivetrain loss sounds very extreme. i could see 20% for an awd car with a steel driveshaft, but generally for rwd its in hte neighborhood of 15% or so
I've seen a few earlier 287 HP pull 230 on the dyno, sometimes less. So 30% might be a stretch with a 350 but 20% is probably close. I think dyno's are worthless except for comparisons, but still.
PerfZ is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
MM'08_350Z
VQ35HR
225
04-22-2021 09:42 PM
hajwoj
Autocross/Road
27
11-01-2015 05:25 PM



Quick Reply: brake horse power & others



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 10:18 AM.