Turbonetics Install Complete and dynoed!!
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I agree with Adam here on the S/C vs. TT/ST thing. Remember it's that brutish low-end torque that's snapping our rods! It will be interesting to see how the ST systems play out. Can you adjust a low boost and high boost? So it won't open passed 4 psi until 3500rpms for instance?
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Originally Posted by tig488
damn, much more torque, the vortechs higher hp numbers comes on at that 7k spike, man im glad i sold my vortech for this kit. i like that low end tq and hp.
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I too have the kit on the way, but I am going to be honest here. I thought this kit would produce more power. T-netics claims 386 or close to it, Turbo Magazine dynoed it at 365, and now I see 346? I meen dont get me wrong I think 346 is still respectable but 20 less than whp than another.....hmmm? Does the car have a boost gauge? What was the gauge showing? Does alttitude affect the boost as well as the hp? For example if the kit puts out 8 psi at see level does it still put out 8 psi at 5500 feet above sea level? Sorry for all the questions just curious/concerned.
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Originally Posted by 1 2 NV
I too have the kit on the way, but I am going to be honest here. I thought this kit would produce more power. T-netics claims 386 or close to it, Turbo Magazine dynoed it at 365, and now I see 346? I meen dont get me wrong I think 346 is still respectable but 20 less than whp than another.....hmmm? Does the car have a boost gauge? What was the gauge showing? Does alttitude affect the boost as well as the hp? For example if the kit puts out 8 psi at see level does it still put out 8 psi at 5500 feet above sea level? Sorry for all the questions just curious/concerned.
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Like I say guys, a little more tweaking on the tune, and a simple exhaust upgrade outta wake this car up. We're gonna massage it a little today, we should see 360 horse
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Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
Nope at that altitude that kit is only pushing 6-7 PSI as altitude does affect boost. It also affects power numbers. Someone in this thread stated stock Zs were making 210 RWHP stock. Thats 30 less then mine stock...
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Originally Posted by SpeedDreamTuner
Like I say guys, a little more tweaking on the tune, and a simple exhaust upgrade outta wake this car up. We're gonna massage it a little today, we should see 360 horse
I understand you can put other bolt ons on the car and play with a piggy back or what have you but I am just talking about right out of the box and on the car no tweeking what so ever. So if it is only pushing 6-7 psi, how much more can you realistically excpect out of 1 psi? Sorry for the questions....learning as I go.
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Originally Posted by SpeedDreamTuner
Not really, thats what correction factors are for. We usually see the same if not exactly the same SAE corrected numbers as anyone else. Our actual numbers are lower but we don't post those often. Altitude doesn't usually effect boost. At least not enough for us.
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Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
Thats funny cause I have seen it happen for other high altitude cars on boost. They usually get less boost then others when run without a boost controller... Maybe I'm wrong...
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Originally Posted by SpeedDreamTuner
Hey everyone,
I just want to let everyone know our results thus far with the Turbonetics single turbo kit and the Speed Dreams 350z. This was basically on a shake down pass after we drove it around testing it out.
The graph is layed out against one of our other Vortech cars. As you can see the turbo car makes GOBBS more power and torque than the Vortech car at midrange and lower RPM. Peak power numbers aren't as large but the results are. Everything on the car is OEM including the plenum minus the kit and tune.
I'll tell you which kit i'd put on my car.
I feel we have a super conservative tune right now. We'd like to tweak it a bit and run a pound or two more and shoot for high 300's - low 400's. Enjoy
I just want to let everyone know our results thus far with the Turbonetics single turbo kit and the Speed Dreams 350z. This was basically on a shake down pass after we drove it around testing it out.
The graph is layed out against one of our other Vortech cars. As you can see the turbo car makes GOBBS more power and torque than the Vortech car at midrange and lower RPM. Peak power numbers aren't as large but the results are. Everything on the car is OEM including the plenum minus the kit and tune.
I'll tell you which kit i'd put on my car.
I feel we have a super conservative tune right now. We'd like to tweak it a bit and run a pound or two more and shoot for high 300's - low 400's. Enjoy
Does you Vortech car have CATs or not? Not that I'm a Vortech lover, just wondering how apple to orange the comparo is.
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Two things here, cars loose power at elevation no matter what. An NA car will suffer as well as a turbo car, although maybe not quite as much. When we dyno, we use the SAE correction standard to compare to everyone elses. So in this case, elevation was not an issue because the power was corrected for sea level.
Now all things being equal, your boost guage will be referenced to atmosphere. In other words, an analog guage at sea level will read 0 as well as the same guage at elevation. With a 9PSI kit you will still see 9PSI 'normally' however maybe only 80% of it is effective PSI. So at sea level you may gain 100 horse actual, but up here only 80 horse actual. Either way, with a dyno it should be corrected. With the efficiency of turbos and blowers recently, this hasn't been as much of a problem.
Now all things being equal, your boost guage will be referenced to atmosphere. In other words, an analog guage at sea level will read 0 as well as the same guage at elevation. With a 9PSI kit you will still see 9PSI 'normally' however maybe only 80% of it is effective PSI. So at sea level you may gain 100 horse actual, but up here only 80 horse actual. Either way, with a dyno it should be corrected. With the efficiency of turbos and blowers recently, this hasn't been as much of a problem.
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Originally Posted by SpeedDreamTuner
Two things here, cars loose power at elevation no matter what. An NA car will suffer as well as a turbo car, although maybe not quite as much. When we dyno, we use the SAE correction standard to compare to everyone elses. So in this case, elevation was not an issue because the power was corrected for sea level.
Now all things being equal, your boost guage will be referenced to atmosphere. In other words, an analog guage at sea level will read 0 as well as the same guage at elevation. With a 9PSI kit you will still see 9PSI 'normally' however maybe only 80% of it is effective PSI. So at sea level you may gain 100 horse actual, but up here only 80 horse actual. Either way, with a dyno it should be corrected. With the efficiency of turbos and blowers recently, this hasn't been as much of a problem.
Now all things being equal, your boost guage will be referenced to atmosphere. In other words, an analog guage at sea level will read 0 as well as the same guage at elevation. With a 9PSI kit you will still see 9PSI 'normally' however maybe only 80% of it is effective PSI. So at sea level you may gain 100 horse actual, but up here only 80 horse actual. Either way, with a dyno it should be corrected. With the efficiency of turbos and blowers recently, this hasn't been as much of a problem.
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just a noob question about FI, if i choose to get any types of FI, can i be 99.9% safe from detonation if i tune it below the recommended psi? say like 5-5.5 when it recommends 6? and using a relatively conservative tune? and then when i have more funds forge the motor then up the psi and have a more aggresive tune? sorry for the hijacking
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BTW 1 pound of boost is a big deal, it's usually about 20 hp for each pound. For example, if you are getting 320 at 6 psi, you should get 340 at 7 and 360 at 8 psi. Now this is not a golden rule for every kit, they are all different, but it does apply.
For a lot of the people exclaiming their dissapointment with 340hp at the wheels, I would like to ask if they have ever driven anything that got 340 at the wheels. That is a lot of power, more than you will use in most day to day situations (or any situation). For me finding any place (while staying safe) where I can push the car is difficult, even if its just a quick run to 80 on the on ramp.
For a lot of the people exclaiming their dissapointment with 340hp at the wheels, I would like to ask if they have ever driven anything that got 340 at the wheels. That is a lot of power, more than you will use in most day to day situations (or any situation). For me finding any place (while staying safe) where I can push the car is difficult, even if its just a quick run to 80 on the on ramp.
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Originally Posted by AdamDC
BTW 1 pound of boost is a big deal, it's usually about 20 hp for each pound. For example, if you are getting 320 at 6 psi, you should get 340 at 7 and 360 at 8 psi. Now this is not a golden rule for every kit, they are all different, but it does apply.
For a lot of the people exclaiming their dissapointment with 340hp at the wheels, I would like to ask if they have ever driven anything that got 340 at the wheels. That is a lot of power, more than you will use in most day to day situations (or any situation). For me finding any place (while staying safe) where I can push the car is difficult, even if its just a quick run to 80 on the on ramp.
For a lot of the people exclaiming their dissapointment with 340hp at the wheels, I would like to ask if they have ever driven anything that got 340 at the wheels. That is a lot of power, more than you will use in most day to day situations (or any situation). For me finding any place (while staying safe) where I can push the car is difficult, even if its just a quick run to 80 on the on ramp.
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MIA, I watched a few of your videos (thanks for posting them BTW) and I think our cars are actually very similar in performance. I know it's a little bit **** retentive but I timed your shifts when you were flooring it and I was very similar.
I know I love my set up and I can see why you love yours, as I said before - the more options for the Z the better.
I know I love my set up and I can see why you love yours, as I said before - the more options for the Z the better.
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Originally Posted by AdamDC
MIA, I watched a few of your videos (thanks for posting them BTW) and I think our cars are actually very similar in performance. I know it's a little bit **** retentive but I timed your shifts when you were flooring it and I was very similar.
I know I love my set up and I can see why you love yours, as I said before - the more options for the Z the better.
I know I love my set up and I can see why you love yours, as I said before - the more options for the Z the better.
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Originally Posted by 1 2 NV
I still have questions but tell me(us) how it rides!! Does it plant you in the seat or what?
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Originally Posted by dchi_t
just a noob question about FI, if i choose to get any types of FI, can i be 99.9% safe from detonation if i tune it below the recommended psi? say like 5-5.5 when it recommends 6? and using a relatively conservative tune? and then when i have more funds forge the motor then up the psi and have a more aggresive tune? sorry for the hijacking
Ya I think so, that's a good idea. Power and safety should be controlled with boost, lower timing, and more fuel.