eManage Ultimate--Crank Signal OK'ed and Installation Pointers
08-03-2005, 11:31 AM
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eManage Ultimate--Crank Signal OK'ed and Installation Pointers
Hi everyone, the last of the eManage Ultimates ship today, and I wanted to thank everyone for another very successful GB. As we all begin playing with the EU, I think you will quickly find it to be the premier piggyback tuning device on the market currently for the 350Z.
I have some great news, in that the latest fireware was just emailed to me from Greddy, and we now have REAL TIME TIMING display/logging capability, and the ability to advance timing!
The latest firware is version 1.06, and I will forward it to anyone that wants it. Just send me an email at sharif@forgedinternals.com
Becuase we now see the crank signal correctly, and can view actual ignition timing, you have a very precise level of control over ignition events, and can verify via datalogging, that your ACTUAL timing is mapping correctly. An upcoming firware release, will permit you to actually SET the timing in the tables, but that funtionality is not yet present in the current fireware. So you will still have to do the +/- thing.
The easier way to install the EU, is to first download the Greddy TT installation manual from Greddy's website. Part 3 pertains to the Blue Emanage instructions, and this will help you wire about 85% of the eManage Ultimate. Pay close attention to pin locations, as the colors are often wrong.
As a general rule, ALWAYS wire up an ECU by pin location only. The color can be used to verifiy, but if there is ever a descrepancy between pin location and color, go with pin location.
Second important note: Do NOT connect the cam angle sensor input wire. It is not needed, and will cause interference with the crank angle sensor calculation. The EU now just needs the crank angle input only. The crank input allows the eManage to display RPM without the use of any adaptors, and again, allows for real-time ignition timing, and timing advance/retard capability.
Third important note: You must pay special attention to the channel sequence for the injectors and the coil wires. For instance, channel 1 injector on the eManage is Injector #1 on the ECU. Same applies to the coils. Many of you have the blue eManage, and a timing harnesses already hooked up. You will need to unwire that, and then rewire the harnesses in the correct channel sequence.
Fourth important note: The EU will auto configure for the VQ35 motor in the vehicle parameters section. Just select VQ35 from the drop-down list, and for the RPM signal drop-down...select "crank angle sensor".
That's about it for now. I am hoping that others can provide pointers, helpful hints, tricks, etc...as these installs begin.
Hope this helps!
I have some great news, in that the latest fireware was just emailed to me from Greddy, and we now have REAL TIME TIMING display/logging capability, and the ability to advance timing!
The latest firware is version 1.06, and I will forward it to anyone that wants it. Just send me an email at sharif@forgedinternals.comBecuase we now see the crank signal correctly, and can view actual ignition timing, you have a very precise level of control over ignition events, and can verify via datalogging, that your ACTUAL timing is mapping correctly. An upcoming firware release, will permit you to actually SET the timing in the tables, but that funtionality is not yet present in the current fireware. So you will still have to do the +/- thing.
The easier way to install the EU, is to first download the Greddy TT installation manual from Greddy's website. Part 3 pertains to the Blue Emanage instructions, and this will help you wire about 85% of the eManage Ultimate. Pay close attention to pin locations, as the colors are often wrong.
As a general rule, ALWAYS wire up an ECU by pin location only. The color can be used to verifiy, but if there is ever a descrepancy between pin location and color, go with pin location.Second important note: Do NOT connect the cam angle sensor input wire. It is not needed, and will cause interference with the crank angle sensor calculation. The EU now just needs the crank angle input only. The crank input allows the eManage to display RPM without the use of any adaptors, and again, allows for real-time ignition timing, and timing advance/retard capability.
Third important note: You must pay special attention to the channel sequence for the injectors and the coil wires. For instance, channel 1 injector on the eManage is Injector #1 on the ECU. Same applies to the coils. Many of you have the blue eManage, and a timing harnesses already hooked up. You will need to unwire that, and then rewire the harnesses in the correct channel sequence.
Fourth important note: The EU will auto configure for the VQ35 motor in the vehicle parameters section. Just select VQ35 from the drop-down list, and for the RPM signal drop-down...select "crank angle sensor".
That's about it for now. I am hoping that others can provide pointers, helpful hints, tricks, etc...as these installs begin.
Hope this helps!
08-03-2005, 12:03 PM
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Use VQ35, but you could also use the Z32 setting.
EDIT
Actually, since you'll be using the Z32 MAF, you'll use the Z32 setting.
EDIT
Actually, since you'll be using the Z32 MAF, you'll use the Z32 setting.
Originally Posted by slimer
sharif-I have a vq30de and was wondering what I should put in as my engine code?
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08-03-2005, 12:29 PM
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Go for both FI and NA applications? Installation pointers that is...
Sharif,
Have you rewired to use the crank input instead of the tach and are currently running v1.06?
Have you rewired to use the crank input instead of the tach and are currently running v1.06?
awesome news, any word on how soon we'll be able to SET the timing?
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08-03-2005, 12:39 PM
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Here are some factory ECU pin locations to help everyone out with their wiring:
12 Volt Poiwer: 109, 119
Ground: 1, 115, 116
MAF: 51
TPS: 50
Crank Position Sensor: 13
Injector #1; 23
Injector #2: 42
Injector #3 22
Injector #4: 41
Injector #5: 21
Injector #6: 40
Ignition #1: 62
Ignition #2: 81
Ignition #3: 61
Ignition #4: 80
Ignition #5: 60
Ignition #6: 79
As a side note, if you are not comfortably and experienced working on automotive wiring and ECU's, please have a professional do the install for you. I hope everyone has a positive experience with this. THANKS!!
12 Volt Poiwer: 109, 119
Ground: 1, 115, 116
MAF: 51
TPS: 50
Crank Position Sensor: 13
Injector #1; 23
Injector #2: 42
Injector #3 22
Injector #4: 41
Injector #5: 21
Injector #6: 40
Ignition #1: 62
Ignition #2: 81
Ignition #3: 61
Ignition #4: 80
Ignition #5: 60
Ignition #6: 79
As a side note, if you are not comfortably and experienced working on automotive wiring and ECU's, please have a professional do the install for you. I hope everyone has a positive experience with this. THANKS!!
08-03-2005, 03:17 PM
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we'll see
now that the ECU will basically be handcuffed to do what we want it to do with timing and fuel, I think there will be some nice small gains showing up. I wouldn't expect anything amazing though. There's guys out there with Motec systems that completely replace the stock ECU and even though they have a lot of NA power, they're still not competing with FI as far as power goes.
I'm hoping to gain about 5-10whp with a good tune and new fuel system. Anything more I think is stretching it. I have all the major NA mods on my car
now that the ECU will basically be handcuffed to do what we want it to do with timing and fuel, I think there will be some nice small gains showing up. I wouldn't expect anything amazing though. There's guys out there with Motec systems that completely replace the stock ECU and even though they have a lot of NA power, they're still not competing with FI as far as power goes.
I'm hoping to gain about 5-10whp with a good tune and new fuel system. Anything more I think is stretching it. I have all the major NA mods on my car
08-03-2005, 09:39 PM
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this looks like a great beginning to a EU FAQ sticky!
How about a wire by wire connection punchlist and a summary of the jumpers and/or dipswitches that need to be changed from the out of the box setup?
How about a wire by wire connection punchlist and a summary of the jumpers and/or dipswitches that need to be changed from the out of the box setup?
08-04-2005, 04:34 AM
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I had issues when I had my e-manage installed where under high load and low RPM it would misfire. Needless to say, this was extremely annoying on the highway, and I couldn't help but feel like I was hurting something (coil, or motor). Has anyone experienced any problems like this with the EU? Also, can this take a knock sensor input?
Thanks
Chris
Thanks
Chris
08-04-2005, 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by 2JZfan
this looks like a great beginning to a EU FAQ sticky!
How about a wire by wire connection punchlist and a summary of the jumpers and/or dipswitches that need to be changed from the out of the box setup?
How about a wire by wire connection punchlist and a summary of the jumpers and/or dipswitches that need to be changed from the out of the box setup?
It's a good idea to open up the EU, and double check the dip switch settings, but I spoke to Greddy, and the factory presets are correct, as long as you hook up the injectors wires as add/subtract, which is what everyone plans on doing anyways.
08-04-2005, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by IceY2K1Max
Use VQ35, but you could also use the Z32 setting.
EDIT
Actually, since you'll be using the Z32 MAF, you'll use the Z32 setting.
EDIT
Actually, since you'll be using the Z32 MAF, you'll use the Z32 setting.
thanks
08-04-2005, 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by krismax
Ice will this emanage work on my VQ 35 run by vq 30 ecu?
thanks
thanks
Until somebody tries...who knows.
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08-04-2005, 04:29 PM
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Wow.... very very tempting... if you can set your own timing like that, who needs HKS? Let's just see how well it works in practice. But i think we have got a winner. If it still cannot scale injectors by a method other tha MAF scaling, the ideal would be to have a correct 16x16 injector table flashed in the stock ECU, and just mess with the rest inside EU. Can't wait...
08-05-2005, 01:26 AM
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Hey Gurgen this is george with the white Z ( z pimpn ) I ordered one of these and it should be at tonys house by tommarow, we probally wont start doing the TT install for another week or two but your more than welcome to come check it out, that is as long as tony lets you come over!