Notices
Forced Induction Turbochargers and Superchargers..Got Boost?

Cooling Mist water injection....

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Feb 21, 2006 | 01:31 PM
  #101  
mrtomcat's Avatar
mrtomcat
Registered User
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 2,697
Likes: 0
From: Studio City, CA
Default

yes, I would love to see some under the car pictures, this is still my biggest concern, what if the lines break...even though a 49/51 water/methanol solutions is supposed to be none flamable I don't completely trust that...

And yes hooking up the LED's looks definetely to be the toughest part, especially since I have no idea where to put them.

You said you hooked the power up to the battery directly, are saying the kit is always on? Or did you install a relay in between that gets hooked up to an ignition source and if so which one?
Reply
Old Feb 21, 2006 | 01:45 PM
  #102  
failsafe306's Avatar
failsafe306
Registered User
iTrader: (38)
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 7,040
Likes: 1
From: OK
Default

Does anyone know the best way to hook up a light that lights when it's actually spraying? I don't mean one that comes on when the pump starts, but one that actually detects fluid going through the line? I'm paranoid that something will in the system could fail while I'm going WOT and I'd never know about it.
Reply
Old Feb 21, 2006 | 01:46 PM
  #103  
failsafe306's Avatar
failsafe306
Registered User
iTrader: (38)
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 7,040
Likes: 1
From: OK
Default

Originally Posted by mrtomcat
yes, I would love to see some under the car pictures, this is still my biggest concern, what if the lines break...even though a 49/51 water/methanol solutions is supposed to be none flamable I don't completely trust that...

And yes hooking up the LED's looks definetely to be the toughest part, especially since I have no idea where to put them.

You said you hooked the power up to the battery directly, are saying the kit is always on? Or did you install a relay in between that gets hooked up to an ignition source and if so which one?
I'm sure he means he hooked it through a relay going to an ignition source.
Reply
Old Feb 21, 2006 | 03:21 PM
  #104  
mrtomcat's Avatar
mrtomcat
Registered User
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 2,697
Likes: 0
From: Studio City, CA
Default

Originally Posted by failsafe306
I'm sure he means he hooked it through a relay going to an ignition source.
I'm sure as well but I want to know which ignition source in the engine bay is best for this purpose
Reply
Old Feb 21, 2006 | 04:43 PM
  #105  
Wired 24/7's Avatar
Wired 24/7
Dr. Wired
Premier Member
iTrader: (2)
 
Joined: May 2005
Posts: 17,582
Likes: 9
From: San Mateo, CA
Default

I'm very curious how often you would have to fill up these little tanks.

This whole concept is very new to me... is this setup for all-around driving? Like on-all the time?
Reply
Old Feb 21, 2006 | 06:32 PM
  #106  
dscheers's Avatar
dscheers
Registered User
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 965
Likes: 2
From: Panama, Central America
Default

Originally Posted by failsafe306
Does anyone know the best way to hook up a light that lights when it's actually spraying? I don't mean one that comes on when the pump starts, but one that actually detects fluid going through the line? I'm paranoid that something will in the system could fail while I'm going WOT and I'd never know about it.
SnowPerformance has a SafeInjection Controller (http://snowperformance.net/proddetail.asp?prod=SI%2D10) that monitors the flow of fluid through the system. If this flow goes below a certain level it will trigger a LED and a alarm line. This alarm line can then be used with a solenoid to blow off boost or or it can be fed into an Engine Management System.

Danny
Reply
Old Feb 21, 2006 | 08:10 PM
  #107  
failsafe306's Avatar
failsafe306
Registered User
iTrader: (38)
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 7,040
Likes: 1
From: OK
Default

Originally Posted by dscheers
SnowPerformance has a SafeInjection Controller (http://snowperformance.net/proddetail.asp?prod=SI%2D10) that monitors the flow of fluid through the system. If this flow goes below a certain level it will trigger a LED and a alarm line. This alarm line can then be used with a solenoid to blow off boost or or it can be fed into an Engine Management System.

Danny
Just what I was looking for, thanks.
Reply
Old Feb 22, 2006 | 05:27 AM
  #108  
MoodDude's Avatar
MoodDude
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,286
Likes: 0
From: Albany, GA
Default

Originally Posted by failsafe306
Does anyone know the best way to hook up a light that lights when it's actually spraying? I don't mean one that comes on when the pump starts, but one that actually detects fluid going through the line? I'm paranoid that something will in the system could fail while I'm going WOT and I'd never know about it.
I installed a pressure switch on the water spraying and the LED comes on when it is spraying. It will also stay on if the nozzle is clogged after the pump goes off. You install the pressure switch after the Check/Solenoid valve(s). I got mine from cooling mist, but I bet you can find one from McMaster Carr.
Reply
Old Feb 22, 2006 | 05:29 AM
  #109  
MoodDude's Avatar
MoodDude
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,286
Likes: 0
From: Albany, GA
Default

Originally Posted by mrtomcat
I'm sure as well but I want to know which ignition source in the engine bay is best for this purpose
I have a relay on my set up.
I wired it to the ignition w/ a on/off switch.
And used a primary wire directly to the battery w/ a fuse.
Reply
Old Feb 22, 2006 | 05:36 AM
  #110  
MoodDude's Avatar
MoodDude
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,286
Likes: 0
From: Albany, GA
Default

Originally Posted by Wired 24/7
I'm very curious how often you would have to fill up these little tanks.

This whole concept is very new to me... is this setup for all-around driving? Like on-all the time?
Fill up depends on several things:
Tank capacity, what system you are using, when you are spraying, and how you drive.

The spray should only come on when you are boosting. You set the spray to whatever boost level you want. I set mine for stage 1 to come on at 4-6 psi and stage 2 to come on at 8-9 psi. Stage 1 flows at 1 gallon/hr and stage 2 about 5 gallon/hr, so you can see the amount of methanol/water will depend on how I am driving.
I have a on/off switch to use it when I want it. I use it to increase the boost safely on my car. When it is off, I decrease the boost.
Reply
Old Feb 22, 2006 | 05:57 AM
  #111  
MoodDude's Avatar
MoodDude
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,286
Likes: 0
From: Albany, GA
Default

Originally Posted by dscheers
SnowPerformance has a SafeInjection Controller (http://snowperformance.net/proddetail.asp?prod=SI%2D10) that monitors the flow of fluid through the system. If this flow goes below a certain level it will trigger a LED and a alarm line. This alarm line can then be used with a solenoid to blow off boost or or it can be fed into an Engine Management System.

Danny
This is a flow switch, not a flow meter so it will not monitor the flow of fluid through the system. Just trigger when it is below the set point. Don't know which is better though - pressure or flow since both will give you the info you are looking for.

Although would like to learn more about the trigger for the solenoid to blow off boost. The web site doesn't help much. Dscheers do you have this set up? How does it control the solenoid on the wastegate?
Reply
Old Feb 22, 2006 | 06:25 AM
  #112  
dscheers's Avatar
dscheers
Registered User
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Posts: 965
Likes: 2
From: Panama, Central America
Default

Originally Posted by MoodDude
This is a flow switch, not a flow meter so it will not monitor the flow of fluid through the system. Just trigger when it is below the set point. Don't know which is better though - pressure or flow since both will give you the info you are looking for.

Although would like to learn more about the trigger for the solenoid to blow off boost. The web site doesn't help much. Dscheers do you have this set up? How does it control the solenoid on the wastegate?
I'm going to...

the fault trigger will go to a high state of 12 volts. In addition to the supplied red LED, this trigger can be used to signal the following:
3. a solenoid such that boost is reduced in a wastegated turbo set-up. ( $39.95 list. See below.)
4. a solenoid to evacuate boost on a supercharged set-up.
The trigger signal can deliver up to 1.5 amps to drive a solenoid or relay.
As far as I understand it...(and in my SC setup) you run a line from vacuum to the BOV with the solenoid on the line. When the flow is too low, the controller would open (close?) the solenoid and this would in his turn open the BOV, evacuating the boost (much like when you release throttle ?)

Matt Snow at Snowperformance.net explains it a lot better then I do here, so you might want to give him a call/shoot him an email.

Danny
Reply
Old Feb 22, 2006 | 06:54 AM
  #113  
MoodDude's Avatar
MoodDude
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,286
Likes: 0
From: Albany, GA
Default

Thanks - I will.
Reply
Old Feb 22, 2006 | 09:09 AM
  #114  
MoodDude's Avatar
MoodDude
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,286
Likes: 0
From: Albany, GA
Default

Originally Posted by mrtomcat
yes, I would love to see some under the car pictures, this is still my biggest concern, what if the lines break...even though a 49/51 water/methanol solutions is supposed to be none flamable I don't completely trust that...

And yes hooking up the LED's looks definetely to be the toughest part, especially since I have no idea where to put them.

You said you hooked the power up to the battery directly, are saying the kit is always on? Or did you install a relay in between that gets hooked up to an ignition source and if so which one?
If you are concerned about flamablity, you can dilute it with more water, or run just water. Just don't try to run just water in freezing conditions and the 50/50 mixture is suppose to be the best from all the research artiles I have read.

I installed the LED lights in front of the stick shift and below the cabin controls. Easiest place I could think of that I would still see out of the corner of my eye. My only complaint is that it is way to bright at night. Anyone know how I can darken a LED light and still look good and still see during daylight? I will try to take pictures of LED's to if you want.
Reply
Old Feb 24, 2006 | 07:50 AM
  #115  
Hydrazine's Avatar
Hydrazine
MOTORDYNE-MY350Z SPONSOR
iTrader: (53)
 
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 4,399
Likes: 9
From: L.A. California
Default

You can try a voltage divider with a couple of resistors, or you can simply put a 5K ohm potentieometer in series with the LED and dial in the level you like.

It might cost around 2-3 dollars.
Reply
Old Feb 25, 2006 | 10:36 PM
  #116  
mrtomcat's Avatar
mrtomcat
Registered User
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 2,697
Likes: 0
From: Studio City, CA
Default

I played around with mounting locations today since I want to keep my spare tire I can't put the pump and tanks to where MoodDude put his and I don't feel good about having the pump underneath the car.

I removed the styrofoam stuff on the left side in the trunk and there's plenty of space for the pump. Now the 2 qrt Water reservoir is still a nightmare. It's either too big or too small. Best on my measuerments The 7Qrt tank from Snow Performance should fit perfectly though. I am also checking against the 1 gallon tank from Coolingmist...things are looking up a bit and hopefully I finally find some time to do my install.
Of course the water line is not long enough and the longer one I ordered is the same length (8 feet...it was supposed to be 10) I am going to order some longer line on Monday and hopefully next weekend will get this done.
Reply
Old Feb 27, 2006 | 10:25 AM
  #117  
MoodDude's Avatar
MoodDude
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,286
Likes: 0
From: Albany, GA
Default

Originally Posted by mrtomcat
I played around with mounting locations today since I want to keep my spare tire I can't put the pump and tanks to where MoodDude put his and I don't feel good about having the pump underneath the car.

I removed the styrofoam stuff on the left side in the trunk and there's plenty of space for the pump. Now the 2 qrt Water reservoir is still a nightmare. It's either too big or too small. Best on my measuerments The 7Qrt tank from Snow Performance should fit perfectly though. I am also checking against the 1 gallon tank from Coolingmist...things are looking up a bit and hopefully I finally find some time to do my install.
Of course the water line is not long enough and the longer one I ordered is the same length (8 feet...it was supposed to be 10) I am going to order some longer line on Monday and hopefully next weekend will get this done.
Let us see some pic when you got it mounted. I was considering doing the same thing, yet since my spare tires won't fit anymore (brakes), I don't need it, so I wanted the weight centered on the car. I took some pic's of the routing of the hose and the LED lights, yet with two days of autoX and work - haven't had time to download them.
Reply
Old Feb 27, 2006 | 03:03 PM
  #118  
MoodDude's Avatar
MoodDude
Registered User
 
Joined: Mar 2005
Posts: 1,286
Likes: 0
From: Albany, GA
Default

Here are more pictures of my install:

Hose and wire ran under car:



On/Off switch for Methanol system:


LED lights: 3 green on left (power on, stage 1 on, and stage 2 on), 3 red on right (tank low level, stage 1 clog nozzle, and stage 2 clog nozzle):

Hope these help with your install
Reply
Old Feb 27, 2006 | 03:15 PM
  #119  
mrtomcat's Avatar
mrtomcat
Registered User
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 2,697
Likes: 0
From: Studio City, CA
Default

cool, thanks

I took some pictures on sat having the pump temporarely in place but they didn't come out right...too dark. I'll take some more in the light
Reply
Old Mar 26, 2006 | 03:42 PM
  #120  
trefling's Avatar
trefling
Registered User
iTrader: (3)
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Posts: 396
Likes: 0
From: Kansas City
Default

Just got my kit installed and here is what came with it:

Variabe boost controller:You set the min. psi you want it to come on and the max psi where the pump maxes out.

Pump: look just like the ones we use for booster pumps on water filtration systems

Plastic hose: looks cheap but pretty tuff, just keep it away from really hot surfaces.

Check valves, cloged warning light/system.

I must say that www.coolingmist.com customer service is very friendly and informative. I'm looking forward to seeing how this all works out. I have not had a chance to really test it out because I'm waiting for a retune with some modifications.
Reply



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 10:15 PM.