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11-03-2005, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by tilleys99
i was simply tryin to give you z guys some ideas but all you guys have is hate for every other nissan but a gt-r. IMO the vq30det (jdm) is better then you guys wastin money on buildin a 3.5, which is probably why gt cup cars use the vq30dett
11-03-2005, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Zexy
Ok guys, seems like we are staring to have a party of trolls creating accounts and starting to bash, thanks to the douchbag who started this thread and took it back to his home forum to post smack about us.
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....09#post4452609
Mods please close this thread before it destroys itself.
http://forums.maxima.org/showthread....09#post4452609
Mods please close this thread before it destroys itself.
not only that.. i was working on VQ engines before you registered here..
not only that.. i own two cars with VQ engines one of which happens to be a Z.. which i do believe this is a Z forum
11-03-2005, 11:27 AM
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because this is potentially an opportunity to rev higher and boost higher safely without spending 15k
8.5 compression with already available nissan parts, rev to 7500rpm and boost 12psi.. that'd be nice. Is it possible? Well, let's wait and see what Tilley's will do normally aspirated first.
8.5 compression with already available nissan parts, rev to 7500rpm and boost 12psi.. that'd be nice. Is it possible? Well, let's wait and see what Tilley's will do normally aspirated first.
11-03-2005, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by F23A4
The Z died in 1996, as it was one of the first Nissans to get the ax when Nissan was in dire straits. The Z33 is side-product of the Nissan's largely successful FM platform pioneered by the Skyline/G35. If not for the G35 sedan, your Z would have been a 200hp/180lb-ft 2.4L Inline sport coupe (read: 240SX):
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It was cars like the Maxima, Altima and Sentra enabled Nissan to tread water until Renault finallly came to the rescue.
That said, those Z owners who feel the need to be pompous with their regard to the Maxima or Altima V6s are in need of a reality check 'cause performance wise, it aint exactly a 'Mustang Cobra vs Mustang V6' comparison. (More like a Stang GT vs Mach 1 comparison, if anything.)
BTW: Nissan better do something to stop the hemmoraging(sp?) of Z sales.
LinkIt was cars like the Maxima, Altima and Sentra enabled Nissan to tread water until Renault finallly came to the rescue.
That said, those Z owners who feel the need to be pompous with their regard to the Maxima or Altima V6s are in need of a reality check 'cause performance wise, it aint exactly a 'Mustang Cobra vs Mustang V6' comparison. (More like a Stang GT vs Mach 1 comparison, if anything.)
BTW: Nissan better do something to stop the hemmoraging(sp?) of Z sales.
I don't know where exactly you get your information, but the Z came out before the G35 and a bit before the G35C.........because the Z had been out long enough that people were waiting to see the G35C in person before they bought a Z.
11-03-2005, 11:33 AM
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The fact the Z has a VQ is one of the worst not best traits of the car. It should have the VK45DE in it or something that isn't a derivative of one of the most common engines in the Nissan lineup.
The VQ lacks top end power, and it feels like it's going to grenade at higher rpms. That and oh yea its a maxima engine, another reason I hate it.
Luckily every othe fact about the car that seperates it from something like say a Maxima is why I own it.
FWD = garbage.
The VQ lacks top end power, and it feels like it's going to grenade at higher rpms. That and oh yea its a maxima engine, another reason I hate it.
Luckily every othe fact about the car that seperates it from something like say a Maxima is why I own it.
FWD = garbage.
11-03-2005, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by SEmy2K2go
Like I said on the Org...why would Z guys go this route when they have a lot more options for aftermarket than Maxima owners?
besides the fact that, if I'm not mistaken, the bore vs. stroke in the vq35 isn't the problem, because the stroke isn't overly massive.
It's more of a problem if the strengths of the internals. Given stronger internals (or even a cryo'd crank, knife-edged, balanced with stronger internals) the VQ35 in it's current bore/stroke could rev higher.
But again, why the need? Plenty of useable power in the car. Even if you go to 7100 or so, that's still a ton of useable power.
I think destroking the VQ is something that avoids the inherent weakness of the engine and tries to make something of a smaller stroke and will actually not benefit as greatly as you would think.
11-03-2005, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by chimmike
besides the fact that, if I'm not mistaken, the bore vs. stroke in the vq35 isn't the problem, because the stroke isn't overly massive.
It's more of a problem if the strengths of the internals. Given stronger internals (or even a cryo'd crank, knife-edged, balanced with stronger internals) the VQ35 in it's current bore/stroke could rev higher.
But again, why the need? Plenty of useable power in the car. Even if you go to 7100 or so, that's still a ton of useable power.
I think destroking the VQ is something that avoids the inherent weakness of the engine and tries to make something of a smaller stroke and will actually not benefit as greatly as you would think.
It's more of a problem if the strengths of the internals. Given stronger internals (or even a cryo'd crank, knife-edged, balanced with stronger internals) the VQ35 in it's current bore/stroke could rev higher.
But again, why the need? Plenty of useable power in the car. Even if you go to 7100 or so, that's still a ton of useable power.
I think destroking the VQ is something that avoids the inherent weakness of the engine and tries to make something of a smaller stroke and will actually not benefit as greatly as you would think.
11-03-2005, 11:37 AM
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The fact the Z has a VQ is one of the worst not best traits of the car. It should have the VK45DE in it or something that isn't a derivative of one of the most common engines in the Nissan lineup.
The VQ lacks top end power, and it feels like it's going to grenade at higher rpms. That and oh yea its a maxima engine, another reason I hate it.
Luckily every othe fact about the car that seperates it from something like say a Maxima is why I own it.
FWD = garbage.
The VQ lacks top end power, and it feels like it's going to grenade at higher rpms. That and oh yea its a maxima engine, another reason I hate it.
Luckily every othe fact about the car that seperates it from something like say a Maxima is why I own it.
FWD = garbage.
11-03-2005, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by tilleys99
So basicaly im dumb just like you. You had a boosted GXE sentra with a GA16de lmfao.
11-03-2005, 11:40 AM
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I assume you must be some sort of genius for figuring out my reasoning for owning this car.
I haven't "modded" my car at all, I use it as a daily driver. I wish it had a different engine, but I love the Z the way it is.
I wish it had the smoothness of say an Inline engine, but well it doesn't. Hell it may not even have the smoothness of an older VQ.
I prefer Japanese sportscars, but that doesn't mean I have to be a fanboy for the Z.
Every car has its shortcomings, luckily I don't own a FWD sedan or I don't think I'd be able to find any positives besides the backseat
I haven't "modded" my car at all, I use it as a daily driver. I wish it had a different engine, but I love the Z the way it is.
I wish it had the smoothness of say an Inline engine, but well it doesn't. Hell it may not even have the smoothness of an older VQ.
I prefer Japanese sportscars, but that doesn't mean I have to be a fanboy for the Z.
Every car has its shortcomings, luckily I don't own a FWD sedan or I don't think I'd be able to find any positives besides the backseat
11-03-2005, 11:43 AM
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I'll agree the Z engine feels like crap in top end. But, a lot of it is the direct feel and the crappy engine sound of the VQ at higher rpm. Isn't that easily remedied by an intake ? Some good oil, good tranny fluid, intake, exhaust. It'll feel better and sound better. woo.
11-03-2005, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by 350zQ45a
I assume you must be some sort of genius for figuring out my reasoning for owning this car.
I haven't "modded" my car at all, I use it as a daily driver. I wish it had a different engine, but I love the Z the way it is.
I haven't "modded" my car at all, I use it as a daily driver. I wish it had a different engine, but I love the Z the way it is.
Originally Posted by 350zQ45a
I wish it had the smoothness of say an Inline engine, but well it doesn't. Hell it may not even have the smoothness of an older VQ.
Originally Posted by 350zQ45a
Every car has its shortcomings, luckily I don't own a FWD sedan or I don't think I'd be able to find any positives besides the backseat
I don't need a Z or a Q for speed.. i have a motorcycle for those days
lose the attitude.. it makes you come off as an arrogant *****
11-03-2005, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by chimmike
I'll agree the Z engine feels like crap in top end. But, a lot of it is the direct feel and the crappy engine sound of the VQ at higher rpm. Isn't that easily remedied by an intake ? Some good oil, good tranny fluid, intake, exhaust. It'll feel better and sound better. woo.
I agree to point, I think the VQ will always be more fun and rewarding on the lower rpm side of things. The rev-up was a nice improvement and I'm sure some NA mods could make things better. That being said it's still not as smooth or rewarding as the VK45DE or a host of other engines in cars I have owned.
It's also not as bad at higher rpms then say most domestic engines, so I'll give it that.
11-03-2005, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by 350zQ45a
I agree to point, I think the VQ will always be more fun and rewarding on the lower rpm side of things. The rev-up was a nice improvement and I'm sure some NA mods could make things better. That being said it's still not as smooth or rewarding as the VK45DE or a host of other engines in cars I have owned.
It's also not as bad at higher rpms then say most domestic engines, so I'll give it that.
It's also not as bad at higher rpms then say most domestic engines, so I'll give it that.
11-03-2005, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by doug
maybe you should change your sig
well unfortuanately you don't have much choices now do you.. unless you want a 10 year old car.. or a BMW
luckly for you it doesn't snow where you live.. i would love to see you drive that Q or Z up here during a blizzard. FWD Cars have a purpose.. don't knock them because they don't suit your purpose. I have as much fun with my Z as i do with my maxima.. you want to talk ****? or get an attitude.. then guess what 4 wheel sucks.
I don't need a Z or a Q for speed.. i have a motorcycle for those days
lose the attitude.. it makes you come off as an arrogant *****
well unfortuanately you don't have much choices now do you.. unless you want a 10 year old car.. or a BMW
luckly for you it doesn't snow where you live.. i would love to see you drive that Q or Z up here during a blizzard. FWD Cars have a purpose.. don't knock them because they don't suit your purpose. I have as much fun with my Z as i do with my maxima.. you want to talk ****? or get an attitude.. then guess what 4 wheel sucks.
I don't need a Z or a Q for speed.. i have a motorcycle for those days
lose the attitude.. it makes you come off as an arrogant *****
Yea it doesn't snow in AZ. If it did snow here I would opt for an AWD car and not FWD. Sorry there are better choices then FWD. Obviously if I wanted a cheap beater to drive around in the snow or in general I really wouldn't care about it.
Why can't you admit FWD basically sucks? Sure it has its purposes, but there is always something better.
I have owned FWD cars and I don't like the way they drive. Most enthuaists would agree with this notion.
Like I said if its your daily driver or just some winter beater there is nothing wrong with it.
I don't have constraints like the weather hindering my car buying decisions, so for me FWD is never an option
11-03-2005, 11:52 AM
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Don't let a few people make the impression for the whole. Thanks for your input. I think this is a great alternative if you want to use all factory parts. My only question is since we are not running huge boost or crazy power, Who outside a few people(road racing and the like) are going to want this high revving destroked version since this is for a FI car with a large usable powerband as a 3.5L?
Originally Posted by tilleys99
the vq35 is 5mm bigger, but the vq30det has a lot stronger rods than the stock vq35de. but, since im dumb, dont listen to my opinion
11-03-2005, 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by tilleys99
the vq35 is 5mm bigger, but the vq30det has a lot stronger rods than the stock vq35de. but, since im dumb, dont listen to my opinion