VQ32de
Originally Posted by doug
Bottom line is if Tilley had 800 whp TT 350z in his sig and he told you the sky was purple, you would soak it up faster than a wet sponge.
The fact that he drives a 4 door car automatically gives you this superdick ego thing going so you don't need what he is talking about.
The fact that he drives a 4 door car automatically gives you this superdick ego thing going so you don't need what he is talking about.
Tilley makes more sense than you.I think i'm done with this thread.Just remember that i love you too man, don't be mad. It's just the internet.
Last edited by Zexy; Nov 6, 2005 at 07:07 AM.
Originally Posted by taurran
Drive your 'vq32det' for a year and come back when you have some actual track and road experiences with this motor under the hood. I don't think many people are going to be willing to throw out the reliability of having a motor that has been pushed to its limits and tested extensively (vq35de) for a destroked frankenmotor you're building for the first time in your body shop. I also don't think < 1k increased rev limit is worth all of the potential headaches and nightmares that could come from modifying the motor to this extent.
Oh, and I'm surprised the mods haven't said something in this thread if you're tryng to sell your frankenmotor service without a sponsorship...
That's right. I don't need it. You don't even know what rpm your VQ is rev limited at and you're telling us what we need? A reflashed vq35det already redlines at at 7100 rpms, and the new 300hp motors even higher. But, if you're willing to throw down all that cash for a few hundred rpms, then please do. We'd all be intersted in the outcome.
And yes, my original post was a bit tasteless, but I never stooped to name calling. These maxima goons were the ones that perpetuated this whole debacle.
Last edited by tilleys99; Nov 6, 2005 at 08:25 AM.
Originally Posted by taurran
Oh, and I'm surprised the mods haven't said something in this thread if you're tryng to sell your frankenmotor service without a sponsorship...
You're so ignorant that you can't even appreciate someone coming on here with some useful technical information, and you have to bash them.
People like you make it harder for innovation to thrive.
Originally Posted by BriGuyMax
He isn't trying to sell anything. He's simply giving people another option to make a stronger motor.
You're so ignorant that you can't even appreciate someone coming on here with some useful technical information, and you have to bash them.
People like you make it harder for innovation to thrive.
You're so ignorant that you can't even appreciate someone coming on here with some useful technical information, and you have to bash them.
People like you make it harder for innovation to thrive.
Could I ask you nicely to quit perpetuating this with your constant whining and name-calling? I would have stopped posting in this thread long ago if every response hasn't been followed up by someone calling names. That being said, I'd like to let you continue your discussion with tilley, unless you have another objection.
Originally Posted by taurran
Drive your 'vq32det' for a year and come back when you have some actual track and road experiences with this motor under the hood. I don't think many people are going to be willing to throw out the reliability of having a motor that has been pushed to its limits and tested extensively (vq35de) for a destroked frankenmotor you're building for the first time in your body shop. I also don't think < 1k increased rev limit is worth all of the potential headaches and nightmares that could come from modifying the motor to this extent.
Oh, and I'm surprised the mods haven't said something in this thread if you're tryng to sell your frankenmotor service without a sponsorship...
That's right. I don't need it. You don't even know what rpm your VQ is rev limited at and you're telling us what we need? A reflashed vq35det already redlines at at 7100 rpms, and the new 300hp motors even higher. But, if you're willing to throw down all that cash for a few hundred rpms, then please do. We'd all be intersted in the outcome.
And yes, my original post was a bit tasteless, but I never stooped to name calling. These maxima goons were the ones that perpetuated this whole debacle.
We actually know the limits of the rpm for the VQ35.. but if you stopped to listen to tilley.. you might actually learn something.
let me ask you this.. did you do all the mods on your car by yourself?
Originally Posted by doug
so you don't need it... take your ball and go home.. ignore it.. let others who do need it benefit from it. NO one asked you into this thread or for your negative comments.
We actually know the limits of the rpm for the VQ35.. but if you stopped to listen to tilley.. you might actually learn something.
let me ask you this.. did you do all the mods on your car by yourself?
We actually know the limits of the rpm for the VQ35.. but if you stopped to listen to tilley.. you might actually learn something.
let me ask you this.. did you do all the mods on your car by yourself?
It's obvoius your boys over at maxima.org or whatever have been recruited to back you up and stir up these forums with this debate. I don't really have time to follow this any more, nor have I really cared about it for the past 7.5 pages of posts. Looking at this tool's post history, I don't see any posts that aren't related to a maxima in some way. I doubt you even own the Z that you have listed in your sig.
With that, I won't warrant your flame war with another response (or another bump for this thread). It's something that should have been done 8 pages ago, and I just don't have time to continue to run in circles with you. Just goes to prove how arguing on the internet is like the special olympics, and how I can still manage to get sucked into running a retarded foot race from time to time. You can now commence with your "h4h4h4 w3 r teh winz" posts.
Last edited by taurran; Nov 6, 2005 at 11:46 AM.
Originally Posted by Zexy
Dude...Bottom line is we/most of us do not need rev friendlier options. People rev to 7200 RPM w/ chipped ECU's without problems and people do not want to rev to 8500 RPM's. If anything i would feel much more secure revving my sport tuned VQ35de motor to 7200 RPM than any Maxima VQ. Why would we spend even more cash on destroking to make less power? We're not running full out Time Attack or Road Race cars here. It does not matter and it does not play a important factor to do so.
I still do not see or understand a couple of things that catch my interest, but have never been explained:
BTW 13psi feels real nice on this setup and i had absolutly NO KNOCK
BTW i eliminated the VTCs too run off VQ30de ecu with JWT program for 555cc inj/boost/cams/low comp/7200 rev/Z32 MAF
-Is it actually proven a lower displacement motor w/ VQ35 camshaft and higher revving RPM makes more horsepower? I understand some of the laws of physics but i'd love to see some dyno sheets.
-Which heads are more beneficial for this frank setup and why?
Basicly the VQ32 has a shorter stroke which will make it rev alot smooter and take more rpm which may not be needed, but the 3.2 has a 8.5to1 comp and is alot more boost friendly. I would love too have VTCs but yet they only really help for low end power which a good variable intake will make up for. The z and the maxima heads are identical, hell some years are even the same part #s so either head will show same power. Sorry for not answering its tough too reply too everything with all the flaming i get. If you got any ?s feel free to ask. BTW the vq30de has no VTCs
Originally Posted by Zexy
So Tilley, you have no response to my post? I'm willing to be proved wrong. Yet again all of your posts/responses are nice and short. There's many questions you have not answered as well.
I still do not see or understand a couple of things that catch my interest, but have never been explained:
-How does lower displacement on the VQ actually prevent knock on a boosted motor? What is your explination why guys w/ the VQ35 are likely to get knock while there is not problem on the 3.2 setup.
- How does "eliminating VTCs" in this situation benefit. So the vq30 ecu is much more beneficial because of the VTC program used? I'm confused here.
-Is it actually proven a lower displacement motor w/ VQ35 camshaft and higher revving RPM makes more horsepower? I understand some of the laws of physics but i'd love to see some dyno sheets.
-Which heads are more beneficial for this frank setup and why?
I still do not see or understand a couple of things that catch my interest, but have never been explained:
-How does lower displacement on the VQ actually prevent knock on a boosted motor? What is your explination why guys w/ the VQ35 are likely to get knock while there is not problem on the 3.2 setup.
- How does "eliminating VTCs" in this situation benefit. So the vq30 ecu is much more beneficial because of the VTC program used? I'm confused here.
-Is it actually proven a lower displacement motor w/ VQ35 camshaft and higher revving RPM makes more horsepower? I understand some of the laws of physics but i'd love to see some dyno sheets.
-Which heads are more beneficial for this frank setup and why?
I've been doing some extensive research. But when it all comes down.... I have to hand it to Tilley. He is right but i think it could have been explained better!
This setup might be the best of both worlds between the VQ30DET Nissan Gloria/GT series motor and the highly advaced VQ35DE 350z motor.
Besides building a bottom end consisting of the expensive Pauter rods and Arias/CP pistons($2900) the VQ30DET crank and Carillo rods can be purchased for around $800(w/ optional VQ35 forged pistons-additional $800 still being much less than the first setup) May i also mention the rod journals may be additionally thicker and these components are used in the GT series VQ motors. Better revving options too and you still get to keep the VTC function which will get even better because the TurboXS UTEC suposedly in the future will release a VTC control option.
My appologies to you Tilley. Now i understand. Sounds pretty genius.
I have another question/doubt as well: The shorter crank stroke would not affect the piston/deck height in any way?
This setup might be the best of both worlds between the VQ30DET Nissan Gloria/GT series motor and the highly advaced VQ35DE 350z motor.
Besides building a bottom end consisting of the expensive Pauter rods and Arias/CP pistons($2900) the VQ30DET crank and Carillo rods can be purchased for around $800(w/ optional VQ35 forged pistons-additional $800 still being much less than the first setup) May i also mention the rod journals may be additionally thicker and these components are used in the GT series VQ motors. Better revving options too and you still get to keep the VTC function which will get even better because the TurboXS UTEC suposedly in the future will release a VTC control option.
My appologies to you Tilley. Now i understand. Sounds pretty genius.
I have another question/doubt as well: The shorter crank stroke would not affect the piston/deck height in any way?
Last edited by Zexy; Nov 6, 2005 at 01:04 PM.
Originally Posted by taurran
Me, or the people that run this site? You do realize that's in the agreement you sign when you make an account here. I, for one, didn't write it. He did come accross as wanting to sell this service, giving links to his shop and the like.
Could I ask you nicely to quit perpetuating this with your constant whining and name-calling? I would have stopped posting in this thread long ago if every response hasn't been followed up by someone calling names. That being said, I'd like to let you continue your discussion with tilley, unless you have another objection.
Besides being you being a tool
WHY DO YOU KEEP POSTING IN IT?
Originally Posted by taurran
Besides being you being a tool and the question being completely irrelevant to the matter at hand, I'm not going to warrant your post with another debate on who has done more work on their car.
Originally Posted by taurran
It's obvoius your boys over at maxima.org or whatever have been recruited to back you up and stir up these forums with this debate. I don't really have time to follow this any more, nor have I really cared about it for the past 7.5 pages of posts.
Originally Posted by taurran
Looking at this tool's post history, I don't see any posts that aren't related to a maxima in some way.
Originally Posted by taurran
I doubt you even own the Z that you have listed in your sig.
Originally Posted by taurran
With that, I won't warrant your flame war with another response (or another bump for this thread). It's something that should have been done 8 pages ago, and I just don't have time to continue to run in circles with you. Just goes to prove how arguing on the internet is like the special olympics, and how I can still manage to get sucked into running a retarded foot race from time to time. You can now commence with your "h4h4h4 w3 r teh winz" posts.
Last edited by doug; Nov 6, 2005 at 02:27 PM.
High ladies!
Pulled 11.4 @123 w/1.7-60' today
Now I gotta go on a pickles and ice cream run for my pregnant wifey... I'll be back quickley...
FWIW, my next ride will more than likley be a Z.
Pulled 11.4 @123 w/1.7-60' today
Now I gotta go on a pickles and ice cream run for my pregnant wifey... I'll be back quickley...
FWIW, my next ride will more than likley be a Z.
Originally Posted by Zexy
^ Congrats. That's very impressive.
but if anyone knows a little more about the VQ motor than tilley its Matt (MardiGrasMax)
the only reason VQ motors got past 400 whp is because Matt did extensive research and tuning to get there. All the high powered Turbomaxima's are there because they listened to Matt. If you have any VQ questions matt can answer it.
The only other person i know as knowledgable about VQ's other than Matt.. is another Matt (SR20DEN on the maxima forums) and when i say know the VQ.. they know it bolt for bolt and know exactly what will happen with the motor.
Originally Posted by RockfordMAX
lol briguy, counteracting the mood in here, shoot me a PM sometime if you guys get together and head to byron, ill come out and show you what a maxima can do
Don't know if we'll be heading to Byron again this year..but myself, Nealoc187, I30tMikeD, and a bunch of Z and G35 guys are going to US 41 next Sunday...