VRT/JWT 800 WHP / One More Time...My Daily.... - :)
Originally Posted by Philthy
The car maybe real in a literal sense, but it's impossible to make the kind of HP with the listed mods. no way a single 255 Walbro is going to flow enough for 800-1000hp, especially at high RMP levels. Maybe that's why all of the dynos cut off at 5800rpms, 
Regardless, it’s misleading – just like the video where we go from 120-160mph in a split second – not REALISTIC and can be easily manipulated with a Dynapack.
I'm not picking a fight, and I think there should be a level of responsibility from people/shop owners before they post up - remember, there is probably some poor person reading this and believing what they are reading, then they go out and blow their motor trying to duplicate your methods.
Regardless, it’s misleading – just like the video where we go from 120-160mph in a split second – not REALISTIC and can be easily manipulated with a Dynapack.I'm not picking a fight, and I think there should be a level of responsibility from people/shop owners before they post up - remember, there is probably some poor person reading this and believing what they are reading, then they go out and blow their motor trying to duplicate your methods.
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Originally Posted by Philthy
The car maybe real in a literal sense, but it's impossible to make the kind of HP with the listed mods. no way a single 255 Walbro is going to flow enough for 800-1000hp, especially at high RMP levels. Maybe that's why all of the dynos cut off at 5800rpms, Regardless, it’s misleading – just like the video where we go from 120-160mph in a split second – not REALISTIC and can be easily manipulated with a Dynapack.
I'm not picking a fight, and I think there should be a level of responsibility from people/shop owners before they post up - remember, there is probably some poor person reading this and believing what they are reading, then they go out and blow their motor trying to duplicate your methods.
Regardless, it’s misleading – just like the video where we go from 120-160mph in a split second – not REALISTIC and can be easily manipulated with a Dynapack.I'm not picking a fight, and I think there should be a level of responsibility from people/shop owners before they post up - remember, there is probably some poor person reading this and believing what they are reading, then they go out and blow their motor trying to duplicate your methods.
YOUR THE ONE THAT NEEDS TO SHOW PROOF
VRT already has
Some people.....MrA, I am thinking your offer for a swap with my car may have not been so bad, but I LOVE mine. I am so stoked that this is coming together for you. I tell you what, I DROVE the car and it is sweet! No BS it is a daily driver and it is a MONSTER!. Wish I could see it at the track but the wifeys birthday is this weekend and I cannot make it out there.
Gotta love VRT!!!!!
Gotta love VRT!!!!!
Observing some of the exchanges with bemusement.
I was on the track with MrA at CalSpeedway when he was running 700whp and that was pretty real. Whatever the hp turns out to be, and whatever steps they use to get it, will all come out in due course, as planned and as promised. There is not enough detail for anybody to attempt to copy and then blow themselves up with if the build is not perceived as responsible. Nor is there any pretense that having such a powerful motor is going to be marketed as a kit for a daily driver. This is more along the lines of a "do it to show that it can be done" exercise. But for use on the street? Nobody postulates that as an objective. Use on the track? Nobody suggests that this will be ideal for that either.
So let's get back on the straight and narrow here. The basic objective for VRT, if I can speak presumptuously for them, is to deliver that oh so challenging balance of daily driver civility and reliability, with respectable track capability, for a price that while not inexpensive, is nevertheless engagingly better value than what many other marques can provide to us in the market.
That means that the motor is only a part of the picture, and probably a smaller part of it than many threads would suggest. The whole package of handling and braking is critical to what makes this approach to building and delivering a car by VRT more special. And it works. Look at all the enthusiasts who are taking these cars and just having a ball of a good time on racetracks all over the western US, and meeting each other at get togethers and meets and car shows and dinners and.....it is "all good" stuff. These are not closet cars or dyno queens. I drove mine to work in LA traffic THREE TIMES this week alone, loving it. Now I am going to put her up on a little flatbed and truck her up to the mountains west of Vegas for a day of running one of the great fast tracks in the country, with probably two dozen other enthusiasts, of whom four or five will have VRT built cars. And others will have other custom modified set ups. And many will have stock NA vehicles.
I don't care if the car MrA is working on delivers 1,000 crank horsepower. My car is a dream come true that we busted our bottoms to develop and come out the way it did. And the bottom line there is satisfied customer. The other one is, if you know Mike....is that he doesn't care if the car he is working on delivers 1,000 crank horsepower either. It is just an artificial target that means almost nothing except for purposes of a story he was asked to build a motor for so that it could be written about, and for which he had to promise to keep elements to himself so that the magazine would be first to release it. Otherwise nobody is going to part with their money at the news stand to buy a copy.
I might read about it myself, if I am not too busy enjoying my car to take the time.
I was on the track with MrA at CalSpeedway when he was running 700whp and that was pretty real. Whatever the hp turns out to be, and whatever steps they use to get it, will all come out in due course, as planned and as promised. There is not enough detail for anybody to attempt to copy and then blow themselves up with if the build is not perceived as responsible. Nor is there any pretense that having such a powerful motor is going to be marketed as a kit for a daily driver. This is more along the lines of a "do it to show that it can be done" exercise. But for use on the street? Nobody postulates that as an objective. Use on the track? Nobody suggests that this will be ideal for that either.
So let's get back on the straight and narrow here. The basic objective for VRT, if I can speak presumptuously for them, is to deliver that oh so challenging balance of daily driver civility and reliability, with respectable track capability, for a price that while not inexpensive, is nevertheless engagingly better value than what many other marques can provide to us in the market.
That means that the motor is only a part of the picture, and probably a smaller part of it than many threads would suggest. The whole package of handling and braking is critical to what makes this approach to building and delivering a car by VRT more special. And it works. Look at all the enthusiasts who are taking these cars and just having a ball of a good time on racetracks all over the western US, and meeting each other at get togethers and meets and car shows and dinners and.....it is "all good" stuff. These are not closet cars or dyno queens. I drove mine to work in LA traffic THREE TIMES this week alone, loving it. Now I am going to put her up on a little flatbed and truck her up to the mountains west of Vegas for a day of running one of the great fast tracks in the country, with probably two dozen other enthusiasts, of whom four or five will have VRT built cars. And others will have other custom modified set ups. And many will have stock NA vehicles.
I don't care if the car MrA is working on delivers 1,000 crank horsepower. My car is a dream come true that we busted our bottoms to develop and come out the way it did. And the bottom line there is satisfied customer. The other one is, if you know Mike....is that he doesn't care if the car he is working on delivers 1,000 crank horsepower either. It is just an artificial target that means almost nothing except for purposes of a story he was asked to build a motor for so that it could be written about, and for which he had to promise to keep elements to himself so that the magazine would be first to release it. Otherwise nobody is going to part with their money at the news stand to buy a copy.
I might read about it myself, if I am not too busy enjoying my car to take the time.
Warning Off Topic:
Hey Ed! I tried calling you last night, but it said that the number you gave me was out of service. I will PM you my cell # so you can call me when you hit town.
Back on topic...
Hey Ed! I tried calling you last night, but it said that the number you gave me was out of service. I will PM you my cell # so you can call me when you hit town.
Back on topic...
I can attest to the nice balance between street and track. There is no car that I have been in I would rather drive with my wife to dinner and then the next day take it to the ttrack and perform phenomenally. As for Philthy, you need to realize how many people have seen, sat passenger, and driven this car. There is no doubt those numbers are real. Also, pay attention MrA has said all along that he cannot give details due to the article coming up.
Also anyone who tries this without all the trials and development that VRT has done will blow their car. They are awesome and I would not trust my car with anyone else!
Also anyone who tries this without all the trials and development that VRT has done will blow their car. They are awesome and I would not trust my car with anyone else!
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Originally Posted by Gman2004
I am no rocket sciencetist but maybe the walboro 255 couple with the JWT FMU supplies enough fuel for 1000hp.
Gman, we will have a report on this fuel pump later this afternoon! EXCITED!!!
Originally Posted by Philthy
The car maybe real in a literal sense, but it's impossible to make the kind of HP with the listed mods. no way a single 255 Walbro is going to flow enough for 800-1000hp, especially at high RMP levels. Maybe that's why all of the dynos cut off at 5800rpms, Regardless, it’s misleading – just like the video where we go from 120-160mph in a split second – not REALISTIC and can be easily manipulated with a Dynapack.
I'm not picking a fight, and I think there should be a level of responsibility from people/shop owners before they post up - remember, there is probably some poor person reading this and believing what they are reading, then they go out and blow their motor trying to duplicate your methods.
Regardless, it’s misleading – just like the video where we go from 120-160mph in a split second – not REALISTIC and can be easily manipulated with a Dynapack.I'm not picking a fight, and I think there should be a level of responsibility from people/shop owners before they post up - remember, there is probably some poor person reading this and believing what they are reading, then they go out and blow their motor trying to duplicate your methods.
Originally Posted by 350ZNV
nissansource - The costs of the track days are on www.speedventures.net. Lodging, food, and gas is not included . Hopefully we will see you there. At the very least you could ride along in some insane Gs & Zs, including the one in this post.
. Hopefully we will see you there. At the very least you could ride along in some insane Gs & Zs, including the one in this post.
Originally Posted by Navygolf13
As for Philthy, you need to realize how many people have seen, sat passenger, and driven this car. There is no doubt those numbers are real. Also, pay attention MrA has said all along that he cannot give details due to the article coming up.
If you have an article coming up, and the pubs told you to keep quite, why post at all? Maybe you wouldn't have received any negative responses if you waited to posts all the facts.
jealousy? you have got to be kidding me... LOL!
wondering something
just noticed that the dynograph,in the margins,shows flywheel hp and flywheel tq..but you claimed wheelhp/tq..please explain.
should we subtract 15-20% drivetrain loss? then you are making a little over 600whp...this would make more sense, but than again, you have left us hanging on the pertinent details
should we subtract 15-20% drivetrain loss? then you are making a little over 600whp...this would make more sense, but than again, you have left us hanging on the pertinent details
Originally Posted by nissansource
I just might do that. I really dont want to track the Z i dont have my Nismo lsd in and dont want to be a ONE WHEEL WONDER! out there. Plus car is getting counter weighted next week, and aligned so once thats all done ill be out there with my mildly insane Z =) but ill talk it over with the lady and take the new pathfinder up. what hotels are around? i guess ill just look at the site. I just dont want to be a lone ranger up there i only know you guys from the net =) we are all family though!
In all of the hype I still do not see an AF curve or Boost curve, it would be nice to see what kind of AF it is running and maybe a little further out on the RPM's because it looks like the numbers are really diving as it approaches 5800.
Also if these JWT ball bearing turbos spool up so quickly why does it take so long for torque and power to build it seems like it takes to 4400 to see it.
Also if these JWT ball bearing turbos spool up so quickly why does it take so long for torque and power to build it seems like it takes to 4400 to see it.
I doubt we'll get any more than what they've provided, afterall he does have an article coming up that should explain it all, 
My guess is there are dozens of people asking the same questions, but just will not post here is fear of what happened to me - a bunch of 'people' attacking you...
My guess is there are dozens of people asking the same questions, but just will not post here is fear of what happened to me - a bunch of 'people' attacking you...
Last edited by Philthy; Apr 21, 2006 at 10:08 AM.
Originally Posted by westpak
In all of the hype I still do not see an AF curve or Boost curve, it would be nice to see what kind of AF it is running and maybe a little further out on the RPM's because it looks like the numbers are really diving as it approaches 5800.
Also if these JWT ball bearing turbos spool up so quickly why does it take so long for torque and power to build it seems like it takes to 4400 to see it.
Also if these JWT ball bearing turbos spool up so quickly why does it take so long for torque and power to build it seems like it takes to 4400 to see it.
