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Old May 25, 2006 | 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by DBZ33
"DR's aren't any good for that kind of HP." Go to the link below. There are cars with 3x his HP that run in the 7's on DR. Everyone thinks slicks are the only way to go. Don't you guys want to be able to launch your cars off a street light if a fast car is wanting to race you? Or are you going to tell them lets go from a roll all the time.

All you need is some suspension work and your car will hook up. Good Luck.

http://www.mickeythompsontires.com/press_10_18_04.html
Great, but those guys ar pro's. They could run 10's with pilot sports too.

If someone has the right set up and is good they can run fast times on any decent tires. Most of us are average drag racers, not pros.
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Old May 25, 2006 | 10:03 AM
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[QUOTE=JimRHIT]Well .... finally two people wanna agree with me here. His tires are MORE than enough for 700hp. His tires are good for 10s, 9s, maybe even 8s if driven right.

My best alignment spec for launching was
F (not that it matters much) - -0.7 camber, 0.0toe
R -1.0 camber, 0.05toe (toe at 0.0 felt squirrely past 80mph ... but a lil toe in helped it out a TON)

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^^^ *Agreed* Some guys run slight positive camber (+0.5) since the acceleration forces actually force the wheels to a near 0 camber upon accel. That gives you the biggest tire-print. BGF DRs are good for street launches, but something with more sidewall (Mickey Thompson ET Street) has the sidewall to squat the car during launch/accel. Plus, they're cheap, and can go onto your stock wheels. Staged-boost is also a great idea. That's what I'll be doing (launch at 16psi, click to 24psi in 3rd gear).

128 trap with room to work is great. Congrats, Bri.
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Old May 25, 2006 | 10:20 AM
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Originally Posted by BriGuyMax
Drag radial equipped vehicles have dipped well into the 7 second 1/4 mile range which is WELL OVER 700whp. It's not all about tire..it's about how you set it up too.

I personally am not a big fan of full slicks. A nice tall sidewall M/T drag radial hooks just as well and you don't fell like you're going to lose the rear end the entire way down the 1/4 mile.

He needs to pull out that negative camber and actaully start letting that 295 use it's entire width. I'm basically at stock ride height and I was only putting down about 3 inches of tread on each tire under hard acceleration before I pulled that negative camber out. He's probably putting down even less of the tire.
Exactly Brian!!!

I'm not that familiar with how big of an issue the negative camber is on these cars (since I don't own one), but it's certainly not helping. I'm not quite at this guy's rwhp level, but I have no trouble hooking my measely 275/40/17 DR's at the track in 2nd-4th gears. As several people mentioned already, properly set-up there's no reason this car can't hook on a good DR (unless the track out there REALLY sucks).

BigBri has complained about traction issues for as long as I've been on this site, forget about adding more power, address the traction issues you have, and learn how to drive at your current power level (unless you want to keep using these issues as an excuse for your poor timeslips...relatively speaking).

Why you thought turning up the boost from 20-23 psi was a good idea after supposedly doing nearly a 1/4 mile burnout is beyond me. BTW, I bet there's a video of this that nobody wants to post. Sorry to come off so harshly, but I've heard this all before.

Congrats on your new mods, power level, and as always badass car. It's a very impressive combination (on paper ).

P.S. - Maybe you should fly BriGuyMax or Alberto out there to get a good number out of it. I bet they're good for another 3/4 second off that ET just the way it sits.
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Old May 25, 2006 | 10:20 AM
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I, fortunately, was able to see bigbri run in person last night. Bri's car definitely overpowers his tires (at full throttle). This was the first time I've seen a car continue to get sideways well past the 8th...carzy. I'm sure correcting the camber and toe-in will help put more tire on the ground, but in looking at bri's tires only 1/4"-1/2" is seeing little to no wear. I think more practice is all that's needed for bri to see 10's. The conditions were great last night however (the D.A. was very low) as the rest of the Z's had our personal best or close times. My 13.5 and my buddies 13.9 seemed dissmissable compared to bri's monster.

Brian, let me know if you're down to run some of the locals this fri!

sorry, though, as I do not have any vids
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Old May 25, 2006 | 10:22 AM
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I'd try adding the other stuff before changing tires - tires should be your last option because those are some sticky tires. People run drag radials on 1000whp cars and they do ok with them
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Old May 25, 2006 | 10:25 AM
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I think you might want to hold off from racing motorcycles, lol - Last time I was at the track with my zx10 I ran a 10.19 at 143.5mph... Even the new 600cc bikes are dipping into the 10's...

Where are the videos!?!?
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Old May 25, 2006 | 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Philthy
I think you might want to hold off from racing motorcycles, lol - Last time I was at the track with my zx10 I ran a 10.19 at 143.5mph... Even the new 600cc bikes are dipping into the 10's...

Where are the videos!?!?
I would love to race your bike from a roll...
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Old May 25, 2006 | 10:27 AM
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it's almost asinine though, after spending all that on the motor build, that you wouldn't be willing to get slicks and just get it overwith instead of bothering with suspension crap and an alignment just to see IF it'll make that big a difference.....I mean really. Solve it fast. Buy some MT slicks, slap 'em on, and run 10s. Easy.
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Old May 25, 2006 | 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by marluci7
I would love to race your bike from a roll...
ok, would love too...
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Old May 25, 2006 | 10:40 AM
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Scotts350 .. I'd be reluctant to advise the pos. camber in that he'll lose a lot of his street driving pleasure. Like you said though .. our cars IRS "squats" introducing more and more negative camber the harder you launch it. I think the -1.0 setting is a very good compromise for highway racing, canyon carving and intermittent drag strip trips





A little OT here ... but I dug this up from a long time ago Old budies car from back in Indy.

8.5" rear tire, yes only eight and a half inches. Yes, the wheels came up a lil' too much (still went 6.20@118 in the 1/8th). I know it is a mustang ... but it shows what the right suspension can help you work magic on a "too narrow" tire.
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Old May 25, 2006 | 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by JimRHIT
Scotts350 .. I'd be reluctant to advise the pos. camber in that he'll lose a lot of his street driving pleasure. Like you said though .. our cars IRS "squats" introducing more and more negative camber the harder you launch it. I think the -1.0 setting is a very good compromise for highway racing, canyon carving and intermittent drag strip trips





A little OT here ... but I dug this up from a long time ago Old budies car from back in Indy.

8.5" rear tire, yes only eight and a half inches. Yes, the wheels came up a lil' too much (still went 6.20@118 in the 1/8th). I know it is a mustang ... but it shows what the right suspension can help you work magic on a "too narrow" tire.
Vote ban for posting Mustang pics j/k...
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Old May 25, 2006 | 10:43 AM
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Ever since I installed my GT Spec Lateral support my car barely goes sideways anymore, it was a dramatic improvement.
Also the Racelogic Traction control is amazing.

Of course slicks would be highly recommended
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Old May 25, 2006 | 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by chimmike
Solve it fast. Buy some MT slicks, slap 'em on, and run 10s. Easy.

I got $100 saying he can't run 10s on slicks as the suspension sits today. My money is on the axles breaking or him hitting a wall with the newfound excess of tractable power compounded with the instability of low PSI slicks

No diss to you Bri (please don't take it as that) ... but band-aiding this problem with a quick tire swap is not your solution. I de beleive you know very well how to drive your car .. I just question your cars ability as it sits.
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Old May 25, 2006 | 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
Vote ban for posting Mustang pics j/k...
:looks for the middle finger icon:

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Old May 25, 2006 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by DBZ33
"DR's aren't any good for that kind of HP." Go to the link below. There are cars with 3x his HP that run in the 7's on DR. Everyone thinks slicks are the only way to go. Don't you guys want to be able to launch your cars off a street light if a fast car is wanting to race you? Or are you going to tell them lets go from a roll all the time.All you need is some suspension work and your car will hook up. Good Luck.

http://www.mickeythompsontires.com/press_10_18_04.html
I see your point, but your wrong. Are you going to ask the guy your racing at the light to hold on and while you heat up your DR's? Without heating them up they wont be any use...
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Old May 25, 2006 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Alberto
I see your point, but your wrong. Are you going to ask the guy your racing at the light to hold on and while you heat up your DR's? Without heating them up they wont be any use...
We are polite here in Cali. They let you do that here.
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Old May 25, 2006 | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by fowlman01
We are polite here in Cali. They let you do that here.
LOL
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Old May 25, 2006 | 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by fowlman01
We are polite here in Cali. They let you do that here.
LOL....I was going say something like that as well. Hell, the F-body guys won't even race with you if you don't let them heat up their tires first (even the guys on street tires, hehehe).
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Old May 25, 2006 | 11:37 AM
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we dont play that chit her in mass. LOL!

so what do i win, i guessed his time of 11.7 @128 to a tee. I should get a T-shirt or something. LOL!

Very impressed, but obviously exactly what i assumed. People definitly are reading into the slicks thing a little too much. Ditch the eibachs or get some quality arms to reduce camber. And when you find them, let me know. I was gonna go with the kinetix myself, but Alberto doesnt like them, so im not so sure anymore.

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Old May 25, 2006 | 11:38 AM
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I agree with everything you guys said.....It's weird because on the street I hook up 10X's better..I have no dought my car is a 10 sec car on the street..but at the track it feels like ice....I think they need to prep it better...I'm going to get some axles and camber arms and then I'll take it out..as for my driving skill nobody better say S H IT...I have been racing cars for 8 years and am very skilled I was getting sideways through all gear and controling my slide through all 4 gears...most people would of crashed doing what I was doing...I kept getting on it and when the back en slid out I'd let off and short shift to the next gear just to slide out again..I was accelerating while going sideways controling it the whole time...not many people could do that with this much power..I have no dought with the right setup my car is a low 10sec car...I appericate all you guys help and comments keep em coming...OH AND JP FRI BRING A CAMERA AND GET SOME 10 sec cars to come out...
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