Oleg,
Your post started off making sence, then you lost me..Completely..

 

It does get expensive, but like any other car on the market, every penny you spend is a penny you will never recoup anyhow.Making a car go fast has to be one of the most silly things I can think of, but soooo addicting..Look how many ****box 11 second Hondas you see at raceway park lately...You think their stuff dont cost money?Well most of the Honda stuff is stolen anyhow, but still, they sink otherpeoples money into their cars for simply going fast.And all the money they spend on those crap box cars, they can buy one decently fast new car..
Good luck getting your hands on a new GTR..lol There will be maybee 2000 made in 2008 in the US, and the pricetag will be about 70-80k not to mention the darn premium market valuse assesment/Rip off charge the STEALERSHIPS will charge for it..They were marking the 350Z,a $28,000 car up over $7000 when they first came out.Can you imagine what they will mark up the GTR?

 

Im from australia. GTR's (R32, R33, R34) are a dime a dozen. A stock bottom FI Z will beat every single one of them. DOnt think the new GTR will be any different. And dont think any of the GTR's can go 1000hp on stock internals. LOL. First u will need a big turbo kit (8k) then u will need computer and every other mod under the sun including bottom end (20+K) It will use a complicated, computer controlled twin turbo setup so every mod will be harder and harder. Then what about ur warrenty on a first generation cars... just imagine the teething problems.. So you will have a 80k car that will run 13 seconds and looks 80% like a 350z and i bet will share ALOT of the 350z parts as its built on the same platform.

That said, i came from a honda. I am one of those guys with an 11second civic (its a SOHC too, no stolen parts sorry...). U know, i drive it every other day, i love it. Love beating all the 350z owners, skylines and suprass.. Great fun, and cost about 7k to buildup including turbo setup. They are light and agile, very fun cars. But do they command respect? Not really... Will the GTR command respect? hell yes. But will a porche command more respect? undoubtibly.

You need to set some goals and asperations in what do YOU want from a car...

1) Does resale matter
2) Do other peoples opinions matter, fellow enthusists, general public or both?
3) Reliablity
4) Power
5) Looks
6) Uniquieness
7) How long will you keep it

What matters to you...

 

PS. Stop using the argument that these motors were not designed for FI. A turbo kit 'redesigns' a motor for FI.

Do u even understand what it takes to make a motor, reliable and FI. Do you understand ALOT of manufactures use cast pistons and small rods for FI apps? Toyota Starlet GT is a great example. If u want an ultra reliable motor, simple put new forged pistons and rods inside it. It will cost u no more then 3k installed. The reason why Fi builds are so expensive is because when ppl build there motor they do EVERYTHING else along with it. Then they get bigger power goals and the costs blow out...

 

Maybe if you took more to 2 seconds to read it you wouldn't be lost...

If the guy can afford a Ferrari, imagine what would he have built for him if he was into this whole car modding scene (your wet dream)...

 

Even with "cheap" internals + labor + new gaskets to swap you will not get that done (usually including pulling the existing turbo kit out and back in) for that little money. Pass me some of what you are smoking...

 

Dude relax, everyone has an opinion and preferences. I am a 48 year old man who is not going through a mid-life crisis but appreciates a good car. The Z is a well built car, take a look at this month's Modified MAG, TUNER CAR OF THE YEAR!! Myself, I will be going the FI route... 450WHP and running 11's sounds good to me... if it is tuned correctly the VQ will hold up. Nissan has always been known to over engineer their motors for higher HP output out of the box, but because of American legislation must be de-tuned. So, if you are not happy with your Z move on, plenty of us are. You don't want to spend that kind of money to mod a Z, how much do you think it is going to cost to mod a GT-R????? It won't be cheap!!

Besides, since the Z came out has the aftermarket manufacturers for gotten the 240 (S-13, 14, 15)??

And no mine does not look like others!!

 

I think that a hobby is a hobby and when you spend money on your hobby it should be considered disposable income. I know guys that have $100,000 home theaters in there house and they barely ever watch movies in there. We all know you can buy a bad *** flat screen and a nice sound system for around 7-8 Grand. Of course the guy who spent the $100,000 didnt worry about weather or not he would get his money out of it he said I want this it's my hobby lets go for it. I can tell you that there's nothing like taking pride in your ride, and spendin money on it. I have a 95 tt that i spent over a year completley restoring. I spent almost $20,000 on restoring the car, and bought it for $12,000. I havent once thought about the $20,000 I spent but when i pull in my driveway and see my pride and joy sitting there, it makes me smile and thats what matters. my .02

 

Wschli, what is Ted charging you for the TT build? I have considered using him. Are you going the APS route?

 

Don't count on it. 450 to the crank, maybe, not too sure about long term though, but hey, if you can drop 6-7G more into a built motor on top of it, the go for it. But if you can afford to build the motor already, may as well do it now, save some money on labor.

It's good to be so confident. Just don't go crazy if you and up with a broken rod sticking out of the side of the block...

 

i'm going to take flak for this, but I don't see the GTR as anymore of a tuner car than a viper or porsche are - which are themselves "tuner cars" but we could say a Saleen S7 is a tuner car if you throw enough money at trying to improve it

You can probably end up doing a lot of stuff to the GTR, but it's going to be freaking expensive with premium prices on aftermarket parts.

I'm sure you can do a few simple things like exhaust and tuning and get another 50whp easy, but I mean it's already a $70k car


to me, the whole point of a "tuner car" is that the car itself isn't too expensive, but has a huge aftermarket to make the car better in the way you choose.

IMO the most expensive real "tuner car" that fits that description is the corvette. Beyond that and you're getting into cars that are really expensive from the start and expensive to mod

 

good points here. but what im saying is go FI--->spend 10k to have a bit more fun, but def damage your motor,,, which will lead you to dump up to 20k more into it!! Thats what I dont get,,, everybody knows in here the vq is really not boost friendly, thats what im saying. And to the guy from Austrailia,, building a motor with forged internals does not re-engineer the damn motor,, you think a measly 20k buildup is more than what Nissan invests in research of what will or will not work with our motors,, come on now
I would love to see how long an internally stock vq can last without compression loss or something to that effect, on boost.

 

I honestly am curious to see what nissan brings to the table with the VQ35 with the GTR

Cosworth is working a lot on the VQ35 for nissan and I bet they'll end up having a nice working solution for a built up engine.

 

Your ignorance is really killing you here. There are countless stock VQs on boost with no problems whatsoever. There is a small handful of people that have blown up their motors, but if you take into account how many FI 350Z's there are out there (hundreds), it's a REALLY SMALL percentage that blow up. You can't sit here and tell me that a stock VQ "will" blow up when you have no evidence to back that up. I personally have 10,000 VERY HARD miles (I don't DD my car so every mile it gets is hard) well over 400whp on my completely stock VQ. It still runs just as strong as the day my car was tuned. I monitor engine wear via oil analysis from blackstone labs with every 4000 mile oil change and my engine has the SAME WEAR profile that it had when it was stock. Compression is identical to when it was N/A, and I've had ZERO issues.

Furthermore, stating that the VQ wasn't "engineered" for boost shows more ignorance. The VQ motors over in Japan have been boosted since the mid 90's with the VQ30DE-T in the cedric and gloria cars. Just because they put lightweight pistons and rods in the VQ35 to make it perform better in N/A form over here doesn't mean the motor was originally concieved as an N/A only motor. If that was the case, then why does Nissan use the VQ is ALL of it's factory racing applications, N/A AND boosted?

Sure the motor won't handle 2JZ levels of power, but saying that the VQ will definitely blow up with boost and isn't boost friendly is just plain ignorant.

Do a little search on the forum, there are guys with OVER 30K boosted miles on completely stock VQs. Hell, 4th gen Maxima guys with the VQ30DE have been boosting it for years with very few problems.

Finally, just because you can't justify spending the money on modifying a 350Z doesn't mean that you have the right to bag on others for doing it. To me, every cent that I've spent on my car was WELL worth it. Even if by some freak incident I blow up my motor tomorrow. It's all still well worth it.

 

Amen Brian! I love your rants. Mmmm, good Koolaid.

 

If you're so scared of blowing up your motor then lower the boost to around 5-7 psi. I don't think anybody has blown their motor tuned at only 5-7 psi.

 

people have blown up their engine with 5-7 psi, especially the stock greddy kits - which is a story in itself

 

You forget one very important point. They weren't tuned and were running on the stock ecu without any timing retard.

 

Guess again, a fully built shortblock will set you back 6-7G, if you are making less then 500whp, you will get away with stock heads, cheaper Eagle rods, OEM head gaskets, etc...

What do you mean by "boost friendly"? You cannot expect to run 25PSI on an originally NA motor. 6-8PSI range, most people are pretty successful, although 100% failure-free guarantee is impossible, people have blown up their motors NA...

Nissan engineers designed the Z as a 300hp NA sportscar and made a good job doing so. Making the engine capable of handling 600 hp would be overengineering on their part and cost them additional money.

There is a fair share of both successes and failures. One thing for you to keep in mind that practically noone was too upset or surprised with the motor letting go and bought forged blocks almost right away...

Bottom line, there is nothing wrong with saying "this is fun, but I don't think I want to spend this much on a car at this point". This is what I did and will boost my car ONLY when I am ready install the FI and a built bottom end. A few month ago I moved into a brand new home and had to set up priorities in my spendings.
Just like you I took my aggression out buy bashing the VQ and got flamed. Please don't repeat this mistake. Noone will pat you on the back or give you a free longblock just b/c they are sorry for you. Obviously you did not do your research when you bought the Z, otherwise you'd know it's limitations BEFORE making the purchase.
You can sell the Z, buy a 240SX, do an SR20 swap and have a fast, agile car for less then 20G. But stop whining, you are making me feel bad by showing me how much of a jackass I looked like when I went through this...