yeah youre right, sharif, grd, carv2, (everybod else on this continent) must not be capable.

 

I have heard that they moved their turbo charger production plant to Mexico a few years back to cut costs, I may be wrong but this is the information I have...However we have had problems with their products which IMO are underengineered.
1. Cheap Steel piping with a chrome plating and unfinished inside welds, are at the least, not ideal for performance. APs uses superior stainless steel on all of their piping and grind each weld inside every pipe smooth for better airflow. We have seen chunks of weld left unfinished, come off inside the piping, a scenario I would not want on my vehicle..
2. 380cc injectors maxed out at over 100% duty cycle at a mere 360 whp
3. Incomplete fuel system consisting of only a walbro 255lph pump
4. RPM dependant reflash, which IMO is simply asking for a problem..

These are a few of the things I feel APS has over the compeditors turbo kit.The end choice of what is and is not a TURD is in the end users eyes and goals.

 

Just curious, who installed your turbo kit?

 

Um obviously you are misinformed. EVERY Turbonetics part is produced in house. That includes all the machining, assembly, balancing, etc. As for the exhaust piping its SS304 piping. I don't see how this is "cheap". I'm curious what you consider to be good exhaust piping and welding. If you are telling me that their pipes are so bad do you all consider Thermal R&D stuff, DC Sports, Strup, and any other piping made in the USA crap as well? Oh and if the injectors and fuel system are "maxed out" at can you explain how my car did this on that same fuel system: http://members.***.net/w.suarez/350dyno11-15-04.pdf

 

Thanx man I am hoping to build a half show/street car. And thanx to the expertise from MRC and Lee's Audio, it should be just what I want!

 

every last penny!! I love the feel of it! Although I must admit I want more power now, so I think that I might go with a UTEC and a nice tune to get me to about 390-400 WHP.

Let us know how your install goes.

 

Tell us when you say "man, I should have done the TT..."
Just kidding...
What are you doing to the interior anyway?

 

little ol me.

did it in my garage, on jackstands. i bought mine in the original GRD GB, got it shipped overnight, started the next day, before they even got the other ones shipped out. so i was the first to really start installing the kit. ive done all my mods, vortech, brakes, suspension, etc.

 

Thinking about Yellow Carbon Fibre and Black/Yellow seats. Just doing some thinking and see what I come up with.

 

This is exactly what I am emplying..All of the intercooler and intake piping is steel with chrome plating for bling..The A/C line is routed right next to a hot turbo, many have experienced melting of the A/C line..We have logged intake temperatures of 45-65 degrees celcius on TN kits as compared to 35-45 on most other kits..
As for the fuel system, it is weak sauce..Hook up a consult and datalog the actual injector puls withs and duty cycle, you will find at 7 psi arounf 5500 rpms the injector duty cycle is maxed out and simply spraying fuel from fuel pressure, but they are waaaaay over the industry standard at that point..Your dyno shows nothing, nothing at all...Im not saying the kit does not make power,im saying it does not do it safely..
This rod is from a TN kit with its maxed out injectors running a 13 A/F ratio..

 

The intake piping is steel?! Are you kidding me?! Its pretty obvious that its aluminum if you look at it for longer than 20 seconds. And its not chrome plated either. Its anodized black chrome.. I can't even believe you are trying to tell me their INTERCOOLERs are made from steel. Have you ever worked with metal in your life? If the AC line melted it sounds like it was installed wrong. Myself and others have never melted their AC line and I've got 40k miles on my car with the kit. Oh and my injector duty at 8.5 PSI as logged is 86%. I didn't hit 100% until 9.5 PSI. That pull SHOWS that the car is not maxed out at 360 or my motor would be in pieces after that dyno. BTW I've lost count of how many cars are running 11.5:1 or less with the Turbonetics kit. Hell taurran posted a graph of his car at 400 WHP 9 PSI and still has 11.5:1. Are you being serious?

 

Yup they sure look maxxed to me...



Hmm look at that AFR yup looks like 13:1 to me

 

You are the first shop to speak out against TN.

 

I think that our dear Jules is just a bit of the old controversy *****...

 

Once again, thats not a data log of IPW or Duty cycle..The way TN cachieves the A/F ratio is by putting a walbro 255lph pump in with no regulator,forcing more fuel through the injector orifices as they are oened up, similar to the old ATI procharger method..Not favorable method of fueling IMHO. Once again, any kit out there can make HP, the key is to make it safely and somewhat reliably.The TN is not complete and you know it and they know it, which is why they are adding the unichip and a new fuel system..Something APS has been doing for over 2 years now..

 

Not speaking out, but just setting the record strait for all of the TN cronies that love to bash on APS and their superiorly designed products....If you notice the trend, more and more manufacturers follow suit and copy technology that APS has been employing for years now, realizing that their way is engineered better..No so much bashing TN actually, more or less pointing out the obvious design flaws when compared to an APS kit, that one of the TN cronies so graciously called a "TURD"...

 

following TN install instruction to a "T" the A/C line is not relocated, but wrapped in a heat material, so how can that be done incorectly?? The inherit desighn of placing a hot *** turbo right there in the engine bay is IMO silly at the least and done for asthetics only..The aircharge is cooled from the intercooler, then rerouted directly over the hot ars turbo once again..The A/C line has melted on several members cars, do a search...We had to buy extra heat wrap and wrap the A/C line in several more layers than reccomended. We have also seen a chunk of weld, come off from inside of the intake piping and go into the turbine blades on one of the last kits that came in our shop....There are desighn flaws in the kit when compared to APS's superior engineered products..

 

No, Im just sick of the TN cronies comming onto my APS thread and bashing calling it a turd..The members that have had problems are mostly self installs and I can assure you, something was done incorectly.Even in Tig's case, he said he put a EBC in and it made the boost problem better..A bad turbo would not get better simply by adding a EBC, which tells me the following.
1) he has an incorrectly installed wastegate actuator
2) he has an icorrectly installed BCS on the Unichip
3) the unichip BCS values need to be tuned properly
4) the tension on the wastegate is incorrect
5) he has a manifold leak under boost..(wondering if he has a spacer or Kinetix plenum)
6) his BOV is opening under boost and needs to be set..
There really is no other explanation for him not making and holding boost...

 

Man, relax, I was joking.
Actually this mess is all my fault. I posted that my opinion of the APS ST has improved, a couple of people decided to disagree, now we have an APS ST vs. TN ST round who-the-fugg-knows-what...
I think it's best that be get back on the topic, which is JasiJ being happy about his APS ST install by the MRC, which should be happy be a shop to finally do a fully successful APS ST install.

Off topic, why are you still on the forums during your vacation time? You are not addicted to these forums, are you?

 

Um have you ever logged FUEL PRESSURE on a properly installed Turbonetics equipped car? It runs less fuel pressure then the APS ST kit does I can tell you that. I see 53-55 PSI at idle personally. Again if you had done some research you would know that the modification to the stock fuel pressure regulator lowers the fuel pressure from the increase caused by adding a Walbro 255 lph. Without modifying the regulator and just installing my Walbro fuel pressure was at 75 PSI. After modifying the regulator its 53-55 PSI at idle and 48 PSI under boost. Which btw is about where it is stock. So explain to me again how the injectors are only flowing more because of increased fuel pressure BTW the Vortech kit DOES do that as its fuel management but with stock injectors instead. The Turbonetics kit however DOES NOT.