I will agree that Clark Steppler at JWT does most of the tuning but how does the take away from what Jim Wolf knows about turbo kit design?

 

I am in the process of moving onto a more advanced EMS. I discussed the Q with more than one tuner. To sum up what I was told, I was advised that it would do little more for me than my current unichip EMS.

 

im not the only one.

replaced crossover pipe, no more flex pipe cracking, dropped exhaust at downpipe, bought new turbo, rechecked all charge piping connections, nothing really worked. wired the wastegate puck shut, i made 19psi instantly then i let off.

tonight im putting on the 14-18psi spring, hell maybe even the 19-25psi spring. since i had an extra turbo/dp, thats at the shop getting a custom open dump, ext wg setup welded on, all i gotta do is pick it up and slap it on.

it that doesnt work im going with a bigger turbine housing. at nopi this weekend, since i had an extra turbine housing, i let them look it over, they feel the housing is too small for the VQ. who knows. ive measured it, and its a low A/R. maybe that was APS' intention, fast low end boost with no lag and fall off a little to be safe.

myself along with many others, and the garrett techs at nopi, think the wastegate is opening and the excessive exhaust backpressure in the housing wont let it shut properly.

ive made it my mission in life to solve this problem. dont care what it takes.

 

You tell me who was in charge of the design?

oil pan spacer rather than replacement oil pan:


the awkward and sharp angles the piping takes out of the FMIC



Replacement of the washer resevoir with a smaller one - how do you go about filling it? - I would assume your retain the stock filler?
also in this pic, your impact beam is bent?

 

I don't work for Turbonetics so let me ease your mind about that. I'm not bashing APS customer service as I think several board members have done that quite sufficiently. I don't think its a secret there are greater then 15 owners on here that are fair less then pleased in that avenue. I mentioned Jim Wolf because you seemed to be re-inforcing the point that a turbo system must have a return fuel system. It appears several companies disagree. Jim Wolf is one of them and I just happen to have spoken with him on the subject. I have also spoken with the Engineers at Turbonetics. But people I haven't spoken to that seem to think its not necessary include HKS, Vortech, Greddy, Power Enterprise, etc.

 

FYI Westpack is Japtrix... And perhaps they are using it as a prototype, but to my knowledge the Q has not been released in full to the public, although this may have changed since last we spoke with Jack Friedman of Unichip North America..
Also FYI Turbonetics is owned by Kelly Aerospace, who manufactures aircraft parts as well and subcontracts several Mexican based Aerospace companies to manufacture their parts..Cheap labor
I doubt TN engineeres and manufactures turbines and housing at their Claifornia plant..They may do a final assembly and balancing, but the wheels are manufacutred elsewhere, no doubt..

 

You have been told some incorrect data then. I will let you do some more "research" on the subject but suffice to say there are some rather unique features that the unichip you are currently running does not provide that are added with the Unichip Q. i've taken the liberty of getting you on the right track . see the attachment

 

I don't know who was in charge nor do I care. If the system works then it works. Can you please tell me what the temp drop was by adding just the APS oil pan? Now can you tell me the delta between that and just a pan spacer?

 

Wrong again. The castings, machining, assembling, and balancing are done in California. Again speaking without knowledge of the topic. Have you been to their facility? Honywell owns Garrett and has several plants in Mexico. Does that mean Garrett parts are made in Mexico to?

 

1) baffles in the oil pan
2) cooling fins in the oil pan
3) one less mating surface to potentally leak over a spacer..

 

Actually, most turbines are made in mexico and overseas, if the TN turbos were made 100% in the USA, they would cost tenfold..

 

Again can you tell me the delta between oil temps with a pan spacer and oil temps with an APS pan? Without it the cooling fins are meaningless. And if you are smart enough to use Permatex properlly (a 15 year old could easily) there should be no leaks. Nissan saw fit to use it all over the motor and it doesn't seem to have an issue there.

 

Actually, I need to catch a flight in the morning..Ill be back in 10 days I would once again like to thank Miaplaya for acting as the resident TN bully and ruining yet another perfectly good APS thread..Really good for TN reputation there pal..

 

Grasping at straws man...The proper way is an oil pan, not a stupid spacer with a hole tapped in it.. Engineering 101 pal..Oh wait, JWT made it so it must be the end all solution to our woes..
Fore petes sake, even Greddy and PE make a pan not a spacer..

 

Are we going to continue with this argument? So by your statement there you are telling me that it doesn't really matter where turbo parts are made. Because according to you Garrett may very well be using turbine wheels from Mexico themselves. So if thats the case why were you making the huge stink about Turbonetics parts supposedly coming from Mexico? Not that it really matter cause they don't. I have been to Turbonetics and know where the castings come from. Have you?

 

And what experience do you have as an engineer? Please share the info with the board so that we know exactly what makes it better. From an "engineering" perspective that is.

 

Actually it was you who initially posted incorrect information about Turbonetics. I have been trying to correct that since the beginning. Unfortunately you appear to be grossly misinformed about that company and since I have some information about it I am attempting to remedy that.

 

The best way is tapping the upper pan, allowing gravity to assist in circulation of oil rather than returning it to a standing pool. The higher, the better.

 

I'm not sure if this has been pointed out, as I have not been following this thread, but the one that started this whole debate with the APS ST "turd" comment, is an APS ST owner...

The Turbonetics ST kit was only brought up after MRC started slamming it after assuming that beastie owned a Turbonetics kit.

 

yeah thats funny.. and he is ditching it for a Greddy TT.. interesting eh