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Old Oct 19, 2006 | 07:26 AM
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Those are some great numbers for sure. I think Sharif is on the right track with the turbine housing. Of course keeping in mind that this particular turbine wheel and housing were chosen with different target parameters in mind its not too surprising it might be reaching the limit of its flow potential. Stage 2's turbo will not have this problem. The turbine will be chosen to ensure adequate flow potential for exhaust flow far exceeding what you have now. And the turbine wheel design they are going to use will eliminate the need to run as small of an A/R to keep the spool up time decent. I can't wait to see Stage 2 on your car. Its going to change the way people think about STs for sure. On a side note I didn't notice cams in that list either. Any particular reason why?
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Old Oct 19, 2006 | 07:31 AM
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I think extrude honing the 60-1 could see gains as good as 10whp or more at higher boost levels, just by allowing more flow.
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Old Oct 19, 2006 | 07:33 AM
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I think extrude honing the 60-1 could see gains as good as 10whp or more at higher boost levels, just by allowing more flow.
I don't think extrude honing that housing is going to net you very much Mike honestly. The Stage V wheel is typically good for 500-600 HP of air. You might improve the power a bit by using a larger A/R but spool up time will suffer slightly. I don't know if Turbonetics makes a .86 or even 1.00 A/R in this configuration. I saw one .86 A/R in the parts list but it wasn't a 4 bolt, tangential Kolkelen housing.
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Old Oct 19, 2006 | 07:35 AM
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From what I've talked to Kojima about, extrude honing the housings makes a more dramatic difference than most people think. He thought I could gain 10whp running low boost on a t28 from extrude honing......I think a 10whp gain from that on the 60-1 stage v wheel is a conservative estimate.
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Old Oct 19, 2006 | 07:57 AM
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Again Ill say congrats, Ill have a dyno graph with the STOCK manifold next week. Will be pushing the turbo kit to its limits, so will see what happens.
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Old Oct 19, 2006 | 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
Those are some great numbers for sure. I think Sharif is on the right track with the turbine housing. Of course keeping in mind that this particular turbine wheel and housing were chosen with different target parameters in mind its not too surprising it might be reaching the limit of its flow potential. Stage 2's turbo will not have this problem. The turbine will be chosen to ensure adequate flow potential for exhaust flow far exceeding what you have now. And the turbine wheel design they are going to use will eliminate the need to run as small of an A/R to keep the spool up time decent. I can't wait to see Stage 2 on your car. Its going to change the way people think about STs for sure. On a side note I didn't notice cams in that list either. Any particular reason why?
+1 The TN single turbo delivers the goods, based on how it was designed. We should all appreciate the fact, that JetPilot and others, are helping to test the limits and constraints of the 60-1. With this data, Turbonetics can easily engineer a Stage II system that will deliver power much further in the power band.

Overall, I was actually very surprised with the power levels, given Jet's bone stock heads....not even a camshaft.
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Old Oct 19, 2006 | 08:19 AM
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Hi All,

I didn't go with camshafts becasue I knew stage II is around the corner, and I knew with the stage II I could have the power I wanted (true 450whp) without camshafts. Cams are $1500. That's likely what it will cost me to go to the stage II. I'm not looking for more than 450whp so I decided to spend that money on the Turbonetics upgrade.

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Old Oct 19, 2006 | 08:22 AM
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Congrats on the great #'s Jet. My car is being tunned at Turbo XS today for the break in period with a similar setup. The car wouldn't run on the turbonetics reflash which doesn't make much sense. So hopefully all goes well today and I'm able to pick the car up tonight. I am probably going to be getting the stage 2 after the break in period and have Turbo XS tune it with that. I know you've got to be happy to have your car back especially with that kind of power. I have been waiting 3.5 months and am dying to get mine back.
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Old Oct 19, 2006 | 01:25 PM
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can you not just slap on a larger A/R turbine housing and call it a day? does TN make interchangable housings?
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can you not just slap on a larger A/R turbine housing and call it a day? does TN make interchangable housings?
Technically yes you could but you need to do some research to figure out which housing is optimal. Which means at LEAST one day of the car on the dyno just testing that. Probably more like a week. Try a new housing, change the tune, try another, etc. This particular turbine housing is unique for Turbonetics. Its a Stage V housing with a .77 A/R Tangential Undivided Kokelen housing. I looked through the parts list Turbonetics has and its not even listed. The only turbine housing larger then that for a Stage 5 turbine is a .84 but its not available with a 4 bolt discharge. So short story I don't they have anything they stock that fits with a larger A/R. They might though. I'll ask.
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Old Oct 19, 2006 | 02:00 PM
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Are we realisticly looking @ only another 10 day wait for the NEW stage II turbo and mods for the stage one to be on the market and in my hands?

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Old Oct 19, 2006 | 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by JETPILOT
Are we realisticly looking @ only another 10 day wait for the NEW stage II turbo and mods for the stage one to be on the market and in my hands?

JET
I don't think it will be 10 days. But I don't think it will be too much longer than that no.
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SEMA! ??
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Old Oct 19, 2006 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by MIAPLAYA
Technically yes you could but you need to do some research to figure out which housing is optimal. Which means at LEAST one day of the car on the dyno just testing that. Probably more like a week. Try a new housing, change the tune, try another, etc. This particular turbine housing is unique for Turbonetics. Its a Stage V housing with a .77 A/R Tangential Undivided Kokelen housing. I looked through the parts list Turbonetics has and its not even listed. The only turbine housing larger then that for a Stage 5 turbine is a .84 but its not available with a 4 bolt discharge. So short story I don't they have anything they stock that fits with a larger A/R. They might though. I'll ask.
i hate to say it, but put a garrett housing on it. dont know if the trim will match but they make a 1.06A/R 4 bolt housing that might be close.

i keed, i keed.
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Originally Posted by Sharif@Forged
SEMA! ??
Hey Sharif, are you going to be at SEMA?
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Old Oct 19, 2006 | 05:02 PM
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i hate to say it, but put a garrett housing on it. dont know if the trim will match but they make a 1.06A/R 4 bolt housing that might be close.

i keed, i keed.
NEVER!!!! No just kidding. I wonder if they make a housing that will bolt onto the
the turbo that fits the Stage 5 turbine wheel. Is that turbine housing you are talking about tangential or on center
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Originally Posted by taurran
Hey Sharif, are you going to be at SEMA?
Tues through Friday..yes. And if I am REALLY luck...I might get to travel on a private lear Jet.
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Originally Posted by Sharif@Forged
Tues through Friday..yes. And if I am REALLY luck...I might get to travel on a private lear Jet.
Make sure you stop by the Turbonetics booth and see us.. Private Lear Jet huh? Damn you're ballin...
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Alright so just curious, i realize its a turbonetics turbo but whats stopping you from putting on a garrett gt35 or even larger, those are amazing turbos and make excellent power. Ive seen several 4 cylinder sr20's with the gt30's easily hitting the upper 450's with that turbo. Granted I havent done any calcs on either turbonetics turbo or garrett turbo to see how it matches up with the vq motor but it seems that a gt35 or gt40 would put you well into the 500's with plenty of air to spare.
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Originally Posted by Sharif@Forged
Tues through Friday..yes. And if I am REALLY luck...I might get to travel on a private lear Jet.
Cool. I'll be out there from Wed-Sat. I'll give you a call. We need to have a my350z group outing or something one of those nights and get some drinkin in.
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