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Old Oct 9, 2006 | 09:42 PM
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This is the planned parts list I have for my turbo setup. I figure I'd like to make about 475whp on low boost and closer to 550whp on high boost. maybe get close to 600whp on race gas....maybe.
I plan on doing the work myself, I'm competent enough to work it out. I already have a SPEC Stage 3+ clutch installed to handle the extra power.
I've done 2 installs myself now, and have experience with tuning (some of the stuff my friends and I do can be found on www.sloppymechanics.net ), and a tuner and dyno availible... So please, I'll welcome comments from Sharif... but I'd prefer no posts about how a specific vendor can "hook me up" with an install/tuning/whatever. Thanks

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my 30k mile shortblock - obviously with brand new gaskets and professionally bored out for the new pistons from Beezer Built - all new bearings etc (full overhaul)
Arias 8.5:1 pistons .020 over
Eagle rods
ARP fasteners
HKS headgaskets
ARP Headstuds - L19

Turbo etc
GReddy TT kit with FMIC
2 BOVS (probably HKS SSQs - maybe a Tial - who cares)
UTEC with tuner (wideband) including MAP selector - use boost control thru UTEC with a GM solenoid or perhaps - GReddy Profec B
Walbro
Return Fuel Kit
750cc injectors (big enough? - too big?)
Koyo Radiator
Oil cooler
Boost and EGT gauges
Custom exhaust
Stock cams and intake plenum.

Anything you guys think I'm missing or might want to consider? I'll likely be ordering the pistons and rods in 1-2 weeks.

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Old Oct 9, 2006 | 10:04 PM
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The Greddy doesn't come with a blow off valve
1/2" head studs might be a better option
2006 rev up oil pump
SVRT head support studs
Rebuild engine gasket kit
650 injectors
Mocal oil cooler sandwhich plate w/thermostat
Return fuel system
New crank bearings
Machine shop block work
Forged performance engine cooling mod
Cams
Intake or spacer
Some type of boost control (electronic or mech)
SVRT solid engine mounts
AAM oil pan spacer with turbo oil return
UTEC MAP sensor

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Old Oct 9, 2006 | 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by JETPILOT
The Greddy doesn't come with a blow off valve
1/2" head studs might be a better option
2006 rev up oil pump
SVRT head support studs
Rebuild engine gasket kit
650 injectors
Mocal oil cooler sandwhich plate w/thermostat
Return fuel system
New crank bearings
Machine shop block work
Forged performance engine cooling mod
Cams
Intake or spacer
Some type of boost control (electronic or mech)
SVRT solid engine mounts
AAM oil pan spacer with turbo oil return
UTEC MAP sensor

JET

I should went into better detail (and I did a lot of assuming, that people would figure out some things)... a lot of that was on my mind, but I didn't specify... I'll add it in the post above.
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Old Oct 9, 2006 | 11:04 PM
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I would also recommend a High quality wideband gauge. Good to know what your A/Fs are like even when your not tunning. Good luck!
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Old Oct 10, 2006 | 04:53 AM
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2 BOV's is uneccessary IMO, whats wrong with one?

Stock cams to help you achieve 550whp+ is pushing it, would be much easier with cams.

UTEC for boost control sucks, only a few people have done is successfully, Sharif couldnt get it to work, so I went with an EBC-you could do the job with a good MBC to save $$$$.

I didnt see a fuel system on the parts list

+1 on the engine cooling mod, and Rev-up oil pump...good luck!

JET-he posted hes doing an overhaul bud-that includes new bearings and machining of the block, things you added to your list And why did you suggest 650cc injectors over the 750cc's? He could do the 750's and have more room for power later....
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Old Oct 10, 2006 | 05:03 AM
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+1 on the list & updated list!

With 750cc injectors you might want to consider an ECU Flash for injector scaling and idle bump. If you stick with the stock intake plenum and/or plenum spacer combo a vacuum block such as this http://www.alteredatmosphere.com/mm5...de=350Z_INTAKE helps keep everything neat.

Hope this helps,
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Old Oct 10, 2006 | 07:19 AM
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Yep, fuel system is a must, nismo thermostat, also recommend the innovate wideband. If you go with the oil cooler, make sure you get the one that is adjustable since you live in PA.
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Old Oct 10, 2006 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Alberto
2 BOV's is uneccessary IMO, whats wrong with one?
Less stress on one BOV. Less chance of leaking/failure. We did it on the Mustang with good results.

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Stock cams to help you achieve 550whp+ is pushing it, would be much easier with cams.
It's basically one of those things that I'm just not gonna have the extra cash for. I know I'm spending a lot already, but I do have a specific budget.

Originally Posted by Alberto
UTEC for boost control sucks, only a few people have done is successfully, Sharif couldnt get it to work, so I went with an EBC-you could do the job with a good MBC to save $$$$.
Honestly, I was hoping Sharif would chime in on this. We used a GM boost control solenoid with the AEM on the Mustang (I know I keep referring to this Mustang, I know the Z isn't a mustang... but some thing's work on both cars) and I was wondering if he's tried such a thing with UTEC.
If it doesn't... I might just go with a Profec B. Cheap and reliable EBC.
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I didnt see a fuel system on the parts list
Because I'm forgetful, I'll add that haha.
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+1 on the engine cooling mod, and Rev-up oil pump...good luck!
Can you give me a link to this cooling mod? and How much is the rev-up oil pump?
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JET-he posted hes doing an overhaul bud-that includes new bearings and machining of the block, things you added to your list And why did you suggest 650cc injectors over the 750cc's? He could do the 750's and have more room for power later....
I edited the post... I did say originally that I'd have the block done at a machine shop and a figured most people would figure out that means new bearings, machining, gaskets, etc. But I added it to the post after he said that. Basically so people wouldn't be confused. I have a bad problem with assuming people know exactly whats going thru my mind

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I would also recommend a High quality wideband gauge. Good to know what your A/Fs are like even when your not tunning. Good luck!
The turboXS tuner comes with a wideband sir
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Originally Posted by SpeedDesign
Honestly, I was hoping Sharif would chime in on this. We used a GM boost control solenoid with the AEM on the Mustang (I know I keep referring to this Mustang, I know the Z isn't a mustang... but some thing's work on both cars) and I was wondering if he's tried such a thing with UTEC.
If it doesn't... I might just go with a Profec B. Cheap and reliable EBC
Do more research that EBC is a POS. Go with a Blitz sbc-iD or the HKS unit for the EBC idea. Revup oil pump is sround $200 IIRC. There was a big thread about the cooling mod, with great explanation and pics in the standard Engine forums Id personally spend the $$$ toward cams instad of an extra BOV, but thats just me. Most BOV's now a days can withstand high boost and dont leak man...
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Originally Posted by SpeedDesign
Can you give me a link to this cooling mod?
I think this is what you're looking for...

https://my350z.com/forum/engine-and-drivetrain/195998-rear-cylinder-coolant-bypass-modification.html
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Old Oct 10, 2006 | 07:45 AM
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^^Thats it, good find
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Old Oct 10, 2006 | 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Alberto
Do more research that EBC is a POS. Go with a Blitz sbc-iD or the HKS unit for the EBC idea. Revup oil pump is sround $200 IIRC. There was a big thread about the cooling mod, with great explanation and pics in the standard Engine forums Id personally spend the $$$ toward cams instad of an extra BOV, but thats just me. Most BOV's now a days can withstand high boost and dont leak man...
I've never had problems with the 2 Profec Bs I've owned *Shrug*. I'll consider other stuff tho.
Cmon dude... the 250 that BOV would cost isn't gonna cover the 1200 + 250 for cams and then springs and shims
I see what you're saying tho. Maybe a better idea would be 1 BOV and use the extra cash for that rev-up oil pump
Boost controllers and BOVs are small stuff... I was looking for the insight on things I haven't heard of (like this cooling mod and the rev-up oil pump), so I can add them to be a little safer.
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Old Oct 10, 2006 | 07:49 AM
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Read the thread about the cooling mod. Very nice idea indeed. I shouldn't have much of a problem doing that on my own. Likely when I pull the motor for the build it could be done with little issue.
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Sharif sells the parts for the cooling mod, get a hold of him to make that part of the build easier BTW-even Nismo cams-which dont require shims would be beneficial over stock cams. A customer of Sharifs made GREAT power and had a nice flat TQ curve with Nismo cams....just a thought for you, you can even try to find them used to save $$$. Good luck.
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Originally Posted by Alberto
JET-he posted hes doing an overhaul bud-that includes new bearings and machining of the block, things you added to your list And why did you suggest 650cc injectors over the 750cc's? He could do the 750's and have more room for power later....
Thanks bud - He edited the original post after I posted the bearings and machine work. He said he was doing the job himself and made no mention of machine work. I thought maybe he was going to rebuild the block without any machine work.

As far as the injectors.... he can go up to 650 with Deatschwerks injectors for $300 and have drop in injectors with no harness wiring. That would save him about $500 in wiring labor and injectors right there.

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Old Oct 10, 2006 | 08:23 AM
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Originally Posted by JETPILOT
He edited the original post after I posted the bearings and machine work. He said he was doing the job himself and made no mention of machine work. I thought maybe he was going to rebuild the block without any machine work.

JET
Exactly
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Originally Posted by Alberto
Sharif sells the parts for the cooling mod, get a hold of him to make that part of the build easier BTW-even Nismo cams-which dont require shims would be beneficial over stock cams. A customer of Sharifs made GREAT power and had a nice flat TQ curve with Nismo cams....just a thought for you, you can even try to find them used to save $$$. Good luck.
Yeah, I'd buy the kit. I meant that I shouldn't have much trouble installing the parts/doing the cooling mod itself, myself.

Buying used cams, good point. I was under the impression the Nismo cams did require the springs and shims, tho. I'll consider it.
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Mocal oil cooler sandwhich plate w/thermostat

any links, or other oil coolers that could fit on boosted Z's (APS TT)
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Mocal oil cooler sandwhich....

http://www.racerpartswholesale.com/mocal.htm

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i got my stillen oil cooler custom fitted and its not infront of the FMIC as some of you might think.. hehe it works well... Ill try to get some pics soon
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