what was the verdict on the VRT twin screw G-Spot?

 

Your mouth isnt big enough for my internet caaawwwwk. There is no need to talk to me that way homie. You still have yet to impress me with any of your words. If you re-read we are saying the same thing. These are just words, dont get your pink injectors in a knot! I am not disagreeing with you. I am not justifying a stillen. I may still go TN or JWT, or Greddy if I get them for cheap. This post was for someone else. I am not new here, I just rarely post, but when I do. I drive my belief system like you drive your Z, into the ground. I dont read your posting, maybe one day I will. But from what I have heard, and this is just my opinion, you are too extreme and experimental for me to follow your advise. I cant risk my 40K ride, like you do. I wont, I think its a waist of money. You may know your shizzil, Im not saying that you dont at all either, so no need to reply with 100 octane comments. I give you props for some of the stuff you have tried and succeeded in. What I am saying, posting, starting the thread, was for someone who ask a question in a different forum. I look at the glass as have empty, you look at it as half full. Thats cool, we can agree to disagree, but there are not a lot of Stillen out ther because the turbo set-up are over rated. They make big power, thats why poeple like them. Not because there are reliable. No one post all the associated problems that go wrong along the way.(speaking of TN, Greddy and APS).

I love my car. I take great care of it. Its garaged at work and home. I put 26K on it since January. You may go faster, but I am in my car alot more than than you and the adverage person. I take my time, watch all you guys do the hard work, then I make and educated decision that is based on MY G needs not your Z needs. If you re-read we are saying the same thing about going FI brother. No need to get foul on the PC.

Like I said in another post. IF YOU MUST GO FI, GO CONSERVATE. THAT WILL GET YOU ENOUGH TIME TO SAVE TO BUY A BUILT BLOCK BY THE TIME YOUR MOTOR BLOWS UP, LESS TIME IF YOU GO WITH A BIG BOOSTED SETUP, TT OR SC.

 

Im not here to argue-I guess what got me upset was how you reacted to my first post. I offered an opinion, and you got upset. I understand your position, daily driven, not looking for a track monster, you want somethin gwithout a lot of headaches. And I'll say it again, any FI kit ou tthere will have issues. What is a small issue to Keith with his belt slipping maybe a huige problem for you, and cost you $$. There is no reliable, trouble free, FI set-up. Of course you read about some kits more than others, but in the end, once again prepare to build. I hope for your sake you dont slap on a Stillen blower and think your in the clear-thats all Im saying. This is nothing for you to get upset over like you did in response to my first post.

You posting "go conservative, save $$$ then build" is not a new concept, why waste time posting it? Even a conservative, well tuned set-up can blow! BTW-how dumb would you honestly feel if you get a Stillen, blow it up then have to build? I guarantee you you will not keep the 300-350whp set-up BUILT, you will then sell the Stillen ,and go bigger-most would. So that throws a wrench into your philosophy....do you go weak and hope for the best, or go with potential, tune safely and hope for the best? If you blow, the former wont have any room for upgrades, hence the reason why most go turbo.

 

Sorry if I came off that way. I just feel this hate on Stillen... maybe thats why I want to use one, because they are the underdog.

 

I honestly believe the torque levels at higher RPM in the VQ is what breaks rods, shoots rod bolts off and causes the catastrophic failures. Needless to say I do believe the Stillen is the safest for your motor/wallet due to 4 things:

1: Torque is no where near aggressive at 5000RPM and up compared to turbo
2: Everything is right in front of your face.. Anything that may fck up with the kit you can fix much easier.
3: Even though many of the turbokits come "Complete" there is always somthing that you must get in order to make it safe.
4: The Stillen is all plug and play and a great daily driver.

I'm thinking in your best interest.. Not trying to wage a war between superchargers and turbos... I've had experience with both.

 

No worries. Trust me I dont hate on the Stillen, or any kit, there is a kit out there for everyone, as we all have different budget's/needs. Driving Keith's Stillen down the track was so much fun, it really made me realize there is nothing wrong with 320-340whp, instant TQ and awesome S/C whine Different strokes for different folks...

 

IMO reving the car way beyond it's stock redline often is hard on the engine and also having a huge surge in torque slap the engine hard at 4000-4500 rpms is hard on the engine. Making lots of power up high in the rpm is also hard on the engine

but the thing you have to consider is how often do you do those things? At the track it's likely you might rev extra high in the lower gears. With a turbo, it might be often you want to feel some of that turbo rush and want to floor it just up to around 5000 rpms to feel that torque rush. And when you're racing someone or just wanting to go really fast, you're going to run the car into the upper rpms

If you do those things enough, the engine is going to have to struggle to keep things together and will wear out faster than normal.

The stillen to me seems the safest in that aside from being low whp and fewer parts, it is likely to not appeal to anyone who wants to do those things that wear out an engine fast

 

But isnt Stillen always putting boost into your motor even at idle and low RPMs? I thought that was the major disadvantage of a roots style blower?

 

no the stillen is ready to put boost in the engine at low rpms, but it doesn't unless your floor the gas

even at part throttle it will not put full boost in at low rpms - actually it won't put any boost in unless you're at pretty much 100% throttle. It's just available

when you give it part throttle, it will put more air into the engine than without the blower, but you won't really get positive boost pressure unless you're pretty much flooring it


on a side note, I went with the vortech and decided to push that setup into a high whp. It's a bit of a compromise from a turbo and the stillen. It has some boost down low to make city driving a little more fun, a medium midrange, and then lots of boost up high when you really want to go fast. It'll never feel as meaty as a stillen setup around town driving normally, but there's other options like final drives and pulley swaps, you can do to make up a lot if not most of that ground

As fast as the turbos spool, they usually don't have much boost under 2500-3000 rpms if any depending on the turbo kit. And there is that .1-.2 seconds of turbo lag (barely noticable though) to get the turbo to actually react to your throttle put any boost into the engine. The SC's are tied to the crankpulley so they're always ready to go instantly. This is mostly an advantage with the stillen though since it'll give you 6-8 lbs boost at low rpms. The vortech (or ATI) SC don't make much boost down low so the throttle response down low won't be as dramatic, but is up in the high rpms. Turbos however are also responsive in upper rpms because there's already a high amount of air pressure that's ready to go, but at low rpms it takes .1-.2 seconds to create that pressure

 

mostly true,driving normal and giving it a good amount of gas my car still stays in a vacumn,but the more load put on the engine and you can watch the boost gauge climb.for example getting on the highway from a ramp,if you nail it youll be upwards of 4-6 pounds of boost with out being wot.but if you go wot you will hit all 8.5lbs of boost almost imediaetly(spelling sucks).

 

yeah but I bet when you're going on that on ramp, you're giving it around at least 2/3 throttle - you're not babying it

 

yea your right hahahaha,btw where have you been for last month or so.

 

been taking it easy with the car stuff the last couple months.

Also did some extra work on the side to make some extra money to get ready for my next round of mods. I'll keep updating my install thread as time goes on

 

god what else is coming from that vortech beast.

 

lol nothing major, mostly some handling things

I'm really not going to push any more power until I build the engine.

 

I had very similar criteria to the originator of this thread, and so I went with the Stillen Stage 2. I am feeling the need for more power already, after less than a month with the kit, and will be going Stage 4 by Spring. The hood for the G is very diff from the Z. Check it out:

 

somehow I've always liked the stillen hood on the G a lot more than on the Z

 

+1- G>Z Stillen hood

 

With work and my CISSP test, I have been a hermit for about 5 days. I will get on VRT today.

 

I am sure that more power is what you want, but is it what you need? I am sure you have beat up on most cars as is....I cant reply on the Stage 4 and its limits on the engine, because no dyno's are out with the numbers? (ANYONE have any?).

But just like any FI, the block has limits. Start that build fund for the built block, I hear the going rate is 3.5-4K??


YOUR CAR IS SICK!