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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 04:26 AM
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Keith dyno'd 341whp with an intake, Borla exhaust and Stillen Stage 4 on an auto. His car is quick
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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by 4SHIZZIL G-SPOT

But just like any FI, the block has limits. Start that build fund for the built block, I hear the going rate is 3.5-4K??
I think that $3.5 - 4K is on the low side for a basic build, not including labor to remove and re-install the motor. I know that some go for $10k plus, but I don't know if that cost includes a replacement block or not.
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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 06:10 AM
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I think that $3.5 - 4K is on the low side for a basic build, not including labor to remove and re-install the motor. I know that some go for $10k plus, but I don't know if that cost includes a replacement block or not.
Yes I was referring to buying a basic built block (450RWHP) capabilities. No labor included......
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Originally Posted by 4SHIZZIL G-SPOT
Yes I was referring to buying a basic built block (450RWHP) capabilities. No labor included......
Oh, you're probably right on the money then. Are you thinking TT's for your G now?
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Old Oct 17, 2006 | 07:36 AM
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Oh, you're probably right on the money then. Are you thinking TT's for your G now?

If I get this greddy twin kit for 4K then I will go greddy out of the box type of set up. Still more moving parts, more possibilities of problems.

I still consider myself motorhead redneck from IL, although Im African American, so the idea of the roots SC just seems natural for my blood. I just checked in with a company that said that a Single Snail TN installed/tuned is just over 6K (but I would lose/waist my Stillen Y pipe). I am 95% that Stillen will get my money, and I will just install it myself. (unless a whole-seller offers to install it for what retail cost).
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Greddy Kit out of the box = BOOM. Please do research for obtaining the correct supporting mods needed to make it "safe"
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Keith dyno'd 341whp with an intake, Borla exhaust and Stillen Stage 4 on an auto. His car is quick

350 to the wheels is perfect for me.

Name a car under $50K that has 400BHP? If it does, its over 4300lbs! Thats enough for me to kit some but and half fun running along 150K exotics. Remember I am a light to light type of guy....rarely does my car see over 120.
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C6 Vette.
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C6 Vette.
We looked at about 30 dealerships world wide and found one for 55K....I was talking about a new 400BHP off the lot for under 50K? The Hemi C....NOT! lol. The supercharged mustang cora is 390BHP...still its pushing 4000lbs too, yet you cant find the 2003/2004 new anymore! For me 400BHP, is a beast. I have driven a 600BHP G35 and a 550HP Cobra......because of the torque, the mustang felt faster although the G was so much smoother/faster and forgiving inbetween shifts. I am just comparing speed, they dont compair in any other category. G's are the shizzil.

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Try Les Stanford if you want a Vette for under $50k. I think they have a white one for $46k with the Z51 suspension package.

Enough about Vettes. I would rather have a FI 350Z (or G35 in our case).
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Greddy Kit out of the box = BOOM. Please do research for obtaining the correct supporting mods needed to make it "safe"
Yeah going Greddy for 4K leaves spare change to start the engine build. I agree 1,000% brother.
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Originally Posted by 4SHIZZIL G-SPOT
350 to the wheels is perfect for me.

Name a car under $50K that has 400BHP? If it does, its over 4300lbs! Thats enough for me to kit some but and half fun running along 150K exotics. Remember I am a light to light type of guy....rarely does my car see over 120.
GTO is 4000lbs not over 4300lbs and 400hp
C6 Vette 400hp 3250lbs lists for under $50K
C5 Z06 under $50K NEW and 400hp
New Shelby Mustang 500hp 3900lbs....want me to keep going??
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Stillen SC are based on the roots design, the impellers are different from the centrifugal superchargers.

I find the centrifugal superchargers more efficient, although the roots design does generate more hp at low rpm, city driving.

The other problem with the roots version is the location of the system, which sits right on top of the engine and more prone to heat.

All in all, I still find that the twin turbos are the best FI systems for hp and torque; considering that all turbos today do not have issues with turbo lag.

In my opinion Jim Wolf has the best Twin Turbos that you can find on the market, today.

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News flash, just heard some info that we all may need to research for acuracy and effectiveness. The rev-up engine are popping due to the factory ecu advancing timing after a certain rpm or speed. I dont know how true this is, but serveral shops (eastcoast) have reported engines (rev-up) popping at very low boost! This is worth digging into. Some vendors are not supporting FI on the 2005-2006. I did read an article that says the new 2007 holds power until 30mph. I would assume an advance in timing would aid the 10-15hp difference? I thought piggy backs would take over the factory ecu, not just under WOT? If not, when letting off the gas, the factory ecu could be causing the damage (detonation), not necessarily bad tunes? BERT you heard anything on this??

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GTO is 4000lbs not over 4300lbs and 400hp
C6 Vette 400hp 3250lbs lists for under $50K
C5 Z06 under $50K NEW and 400hp
New Shelby Mustang 500hp 3900lbs....want me to keep going??

I run GTO's now, not FI. 6.0 liters!!!

You cant find a vette for under 50K.
The Shelby is a slowboat.

Let me refraise....
Find a car under 50K that can run with an FI 350Z or G35? The Z06's are going for 60K is most areas, I dont know where you all shop, but please send me the link, Id buy a Z06 for 50K.
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Originally Posted by 4SHIZZIL G-SPOT
I run GTO's now, not FI. 6.0 liters!!!

You cant find a vette for under 50K.
The Shelby is a slowboat.

Let me refraise....
Find a car under 50K that can run with an FI 350Z or G35? The Z06's are going for 60K is most areas, I dont know where you all shop, but please send me the link, Id buy a Z06 for 50K.
No Z06's for $50k. Even used, they are still going for mid $60's and up. Like I posted earlier, you can get a base C6 for low to mid 40's from the larger dealerships. A stock C6 can run mid-upper twelves which is more than enough to hang with or beat many low-boost FI Z's and G's.
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Originally Posted by dutchboy
No Z06's for $50k. Even used, they are still going for mid $60's and up. Like I posted earlier, you can get a base C6 for low to mid 40's from the larger dealerships. A stock C6 can run mid-upper twelves which is more than enough to hang with or beat many low-boost FI Z's and G's.
Yeah my father-in-law has an intake exhaust and throttle body spacer and he is pushing over 428 or so to the wheels....he says that there is only like a 6% drop from crank to the wheels....that I didnt now, and he has an auto with paddle shift!! Nice!
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The 6-speed auto? Have you driven it? I've been wondering how quickly it shifts using the paddles. I would assume it shifts pretty well after seeing some 1/4 runs for them.

By the way, your avatar rocks. I miss that show. Mencia is pretty cool I guess.
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The 6-speed auto? Have you driven it? I've been wondering how quickly it shifts using the paddles. I would assume it shifts pretty well after seeing some 1/4 runs for them.

By the way, your avatar rocks. I miss that show. Mencia is pretty cool I guess.
I think my boyz TT G would run him no doubt, but the paddles are really nice, by default in auto it takes off in 2nd, which is nice because there is no shift while headed to 65mph! And yes, it can smoke the tires off even in 2nd if you are not careful. I have only driven it once, for about 30 minutes. He had a heart attack just before our wedding last year, so this was a dream come true that he thought he would never achieve. The car only gets fired up, if its lucky every 7 days, driven about 3 days a month. Its the darker of the reds with tan leather, targa top. Z06 Chrome wheels,Z51 package!

The shifts are a bit slow, however they are working on a tranny ecu flash (yes the tranny has a chip), that will allow faster shift and also a diff gear change. Right now you cannot change the gear ratios or anything, so even buying tires you must be factory or the engine ecu will not work with the tranny ecu.

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Originally Posted by 4SHIZZIL G-SPOT
I run GTO's now, not FI. 6.0 liters!!!

You cant find a vette for under 50K.
The Shelby is a slowboat.

Let me refraise....
Find a car under 50K that can run with an FI 350Z or G35? The Z06's are going for 60K is most areas, I dont know where you all shop, but please send me the link, Id buy a Z06 for 50K.
Well seeing as how every Stillen S/C regardless of stage Ive ever seen has run 13's down the 1/4 except 2 that ran high 12's @ 108mph tops, I could find cars to smoke that for much less than $50K. Only 2 Stillen guys on this site have run faster ET's than me with bolt-ons and only 1 trapped higher. I hope you dont think a Stillen even Stage 4 will put your heavier G at a C5 Vette's level, you will get bent over faster than a 6 year old at the Neverland Ranch...105-107mph trap vs 110mph+ BTW-please re-read what I posted I said a new C6 is 50K not a C6 Z06....
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